City v Suburbs

David Goldsmith

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Over the last week I've seen a number of articles disputing the narrative that people moved from cities to suburbs or migrated to new areas of the country. The disparity in the reporting makes it tough to discern what's actually going on.


Moves hit 73-year low despite so-called pandemic migration​

U.S. Census Bureau data show only 8.4% of U.S. residents reported moves​

Stories of pandemic-spurred migration have dominated headlines and small talk over the past year, but recently released figures show the story couldn’t be further from the truth.
More than 27 million people reported moving in the previous year, accounting for 8.4 percent of residents, according to U.S. Census Bureau data reported by The Associated Press. While that figure may seem significant, it’s actually the lowest reported movement in 73 years.
From 2019 to 2020, 9.3 percent of residents reported moving. That’s compared to a high point recorded from 1984 to 1985, according to the AP, of 20 percent of American residents.

There was an uptick in types of moving, however, as 4.3 million residents decided to cross state lines in the previous year, according to the AP.
But many of the reasons behind the supposed great migration also lend reasoning as to why more people stayed put than those in the previous seven decades.

One factor, demographers told the AP, was the widespread ability to telecommute to work, which allowed for greater flexibility without necessitating a move. Other potential factors for the lack of movement include an aging population, high prices heating up the housing and rental markets, shelter-in-place orders linked to COVID-19 and long-term migration patterns in the country.

Another reason cited for a decline in movement was the pandemic’s effect on major life events, such as weddings and having children, that often prompt major moves.
“The same thing happened during the financial crisis. Nobody moved. Nobody got married. Nobody had kids,” demographic expert Andrew Beveridge told the AP. “All demographic change sort of just screeches to a halt.”
 

David Goldsmith

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The death of the big city appears to be greatly exaggerated
At the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, it appeared that everyone was running from big cities. New Yorkers were ditching the Big Apple and Los Angeles had become a ghost town. Meanwhile, everyone wanted to know if these cities could make a comeback.
The New York Times wrote about New Yorkers fleeing to the suburbs and creating massive demand for homes, regardless of the cost. In July 2020, the Times reported a 44% annual increase in home sales for the suburban counties surrounding New York City, with some communities seeing sales more than double. At the same time, Manhattan home sales fell by 56%. The report noted one property in the suburb of East Orange, New Jersey, that nearly 100 people showed up to see. In the ensuing bidding war, the house sold for 21% above asking price.
A year later, however, this mass exodus appears to be in the early stages of reversing. In fact, many indicators show that the housing recovery for the Big Apple has been going on for a while now. According to the Elliman Report — which tracks rent metrics in the boroughs of Manhattan, Brooklyn and Queens — Manhattan rent prices and new leases were rebounding this past spring. In May 2021, rent prices jumped more than 11% on a monthly basis and new lease signings were up a whopping 333% compared to May 2020.
Bloomberg reported that New Yorkers who left the city due to the pandemic are coming back. This was resulting in skyrocketing housing prices this past fall, with Manhattan homes in prime neighborhoods experiencing price increases of 24% to 40% compared to fall 2020. Choice neighborhoods in Brooklyn were seeing year-over-year price appreciation of 17% to 20%. Meanwhile, rents in Los Angeles reached their pandemic-era low point in February of last year, according to Zumper, an apartment rental service. By November 2021, prices were up about 10% year over year and climbing fast.
Recoveries always seem to begin while many of us aren’t paying attention. And this appears to be the case with big-city housing markets. There has been much hand-wringing over the past two years about the end of the big-city boom, including the Los Angeles Times asking whether L.A.’s downtown area can recover. It appears that this recovery is in motion, even if it’s a slow one.
Eric Fox, chief economist at Veros Real Estate Solutions, a property analytics company, says that data still shows an exodus to the suburbs. In California, his current forecast for the top markets in valuation growth includes San Diego, Sacramento and Riverside. The weakest markets in the state, he says, include downtown Los Angeles and San Francisco.
“If I were a prognosticator, I would be very reluctant to write off big cities,” Fox says. “I think once everything settles down and we have the new normal, there will still be attractions to big cities.”
Fox, who focuses on property appreciation, isn’t expecting this to be a bad year for big cities. On the contrary, they will do just fine. He estimates property appreciation values in New York City, Chicago, Houston, San Francisco and Los Angeles to rise between 5.5% and 7.7%. Veros, however, is estimating much higher growth in some of the super-hot midsized markets, with Phoenix experiencing a 14% appreciation in values, San Diego rising by 13% and Sacramento jumping by 12%. The problem isn’t necessarily with primary markets, Fox says — it’s that many secondary markets are in higher demand.
“Right now, rentals are very strong, and new-home and condo purchases are all very strong, whether you are in the city or in suburban areas,” Fox says. “It’s not as if big cities are doing horribly. It’s just that their forecast appreciation isn’t as high as we are seeing in the suburbs.”
Another ongoing storyline that ties into this trend is the opening up of small-town markets to the work-from-anywhere technology army. There is truth to this phenomenon. The National Association of Realtors reported that virtually all of the 183 metro areas it tracks, including many smaller markets, recorded year-over-year price increases in first-quarter 2021, with 89% of these markets experiencing double-digit increases.
But will a considerable number of workers who are free from the office really move to rural areas? Anita Kramer, for one, is skeptical. The senior vice president of the Urban Land Institute’s Center for Real Estate Economics and Capital Markets (see the Q&A on Page 20) says this seismic shift would depend upon a number of factors. This includes whether companies will require employees to spend even a few days a week in the office — which are often in or near large cities — as well the job opportunities in rural areas.
“Our surveys of real estate experts show that most people who are moving farther out of the city are somewhat untethered — but not completely untethered — from the workplace,” Kramer says. “They will be coming into the office a few days a week. That will preclude them from living too far away. So, the sense is that most people who are moving are staying within the same metropolitan area, even if it’s the fringe of the metropolitan area.” ●
 

David Goldsmith

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I find it interesting how after the followers of Richard Florida flocked into cities and ruined them by insisting on changing them into where they came from (chain stores, bicycle paths crowding out parking, etc) the locusts are now looking to move elsewhere and ruin that too.


Suburban headquarters are being redesigned to add more amenities that will integrate better with their communities and attract the skilled workers.

After World War II, corporations moved to exclusive gated suburban campuses to escape traffic, crowds and big-city clamor. Now companies are designing a little city hubbub back into suburban headquarters by adding shops, restaurants, hotels, residences and public parks.

The change in the concept of the corporate campus reflects two related trends that executives say appear to be unaffected by the pandemic. The first is the public and private investment in communities across the country that is making suburbs more dense, walkable, bike-friendly and less dependent on cars. The second is the competition to attract the brightest young employees who want to live and work in lively places.

“It’s urbanization of the suburban experience,” said Alex Krieger, professor of urban design at Harvard and a principal at NBBJ, an architecture and planning firm in Boston. “Companies are bringing some of the characteristics of the city to their suburban campuses.”

One prominent example is in Tysons, Va., a Washington suburb where Capital One has expanded its 24-acre campus with a performing arts hall, a Wegmans supermarket, a 300-room hotel and a rooftop park, all for corporate and public use. Across the street, a 30-story office building under construction will include ground-floor retail and restaurant space.

“As a company, we think, ‘What can we offer to our associates or to potential associates?’” said Jonathan Griffith, Capital One’s managing director. “We wanted vibrant mixed-use amenities that are public-facing to bring in that energy that we all kind of thrive off of.”

Other examples are appearing across the country. Walmart is building a 350-acre headquarters in Bentonville, Ark., that includes 2.4 million square feet of office space, a hotel, a food truck plaza, a walking and biking trail and retail shops open to visitors.

“The connection and integration of our new home office into the surrounding northwest Arkansas community is a primary principle of our design strategy,” said Cindi Marsiglio, senior vice president for corporate real estate at Walmart.

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In 2018, JPMorgan Chase opened a regional headquarters in a $3 billion mixed-use development in Plano, Texas, called Legacy West, which has apartments, stores, restaurants and hotels. Two years later, the bank opened another office in Legacy West close to offices of companies like Liberty Mutual Insurance, Toyota and FedEx.

“JPMorgan chose a site that’s adjacent to this massive, really cool, mixed-use environment with food and restaurants and an urban vibe,” said Michael Nicolaus, principal and director of commercial and residential mixed use at HKS Architects, which designed the bank’s first office and Capital One’s global headquarters. “It’s all about being a part of something bigger than yourself, which is the kind of environment that they think they need to attract and retain the best and the brightest people.”

Microsoft spent $149.5 million last year to buy 90 acres on the western edge of Atlanta to build a regional headquarters. The company said its plan for the parcel was not fully formed, with one exception. In February, the company revealed that it would invite residents of Grove Park, a neighboring African American working-class community, to help design 25 percent of the site for “construction of affordable and empowered housing and other local community services and needs.”

“Looking outside as well as within is an important step in our campus and office design,” Michael Ford, Microsoft’s corporate vice president for global workplace services, said in an email. “We take pride in designing spaces that help us connect with our neighbors.”

The company’s strategy is to become an integral part of the community, said Ellen Dunham-Jones, the director of the Urban Design Program at the Georgia Institute of Technology in Atlanta.

Capital One Hall. Other features on the campus include a supermarket, a hotel and a rooftop park, all for corporate and public use.Credit...Alyssa Schukar for The New York Times

“Microsoft is asking, ‘What can we do for equity and to mitigate gentrification that is the most progressive thing that no one else is doing?’” she said.


Such concerns are a sharp departure from the expansive, private, single-use suburban headquarters built in the 20th century that featured large parking lots and typically included cafeterias. Urban history specialists trace the design trend to 1942 when AT&T Bell Telephone Laboratories moved from Manhattan to a 213-acre campus outside Summit, N.J.

Others took the same path out of the city. In 1958, General Mills opened its suburban headquarters, a statement of glass-enclosed modernism, eight miles outside Minneapolis. IBM moved from Manhattan and opened its gated headquarters in 1964 in Armonk, N.Y., on land that was once an apple orchard. Allstate opened its headquarters in 1967 on 122 acres in Northbrook, Ill., outside Chicago.

Capital One’s plan for a new headquarters fit the 20th-century model in 1999 when it bought 26 acres in Tysons Corner, a four-square-mile commercial center near the intersection of the Capital Beltway and the Dulles Toll Road, two of the busiest highways in suburban Washington. At the time, Tysons Corner was the embodiment of what the author Joel Garreau called an edge city — a concentration, outside a big city, of daytime shopping, entertainment and business that emptied at night.

Capital One initially planned four matching 14-story office buildings. Each would have connecting parking decks with space for 1,600 cars. A barbed-wire security fence ringed the perimeter, and guardhouses were stationed at the entrances.

“What was the thinking behind that?” said Mr. Griffith, the bank’s managing director. “‘We didn’t want people here on our secured campus. You know, stay away.’”

In 2003, the company completed the first of the four office towers, but promptly abandoned its design plan because the spread-out, guarded corporate campus it envisioned no longer reflected the neighborhood. By then, the Federal Transit Administration, which oversees public transportation systems, and the State of Virginia had approved the extension of the Washington Metro, with four station stops in Tysons Corner, including one on Capital One’s doorstep.

Not long after, Fairfax County initiated a plan to transform Tysons Corner into a community with more residences, safer pedestrian connections, public spaces and parks. In 2010, the county unveiled a comprehensive plan to encourage housing for 100,000 residents by 2050, roughly 75,000 more than today. The county helped lead a marketing campaign for the evolution of the planned community with a name change to simply Tysons.

Capital One actively participated in the process because the new plan allowed companies to significantly increase the scale of their developments in return for offering public benefits. For example, Capital One could build taller and larger buildings if it also added a street grid to make walking more inviting.

Capital One easily won county approval for its redesigned headquarters. It includes the region’s two tallest office buildings — a 31-story tower completed in 2018 and a 30-story office tower scheduled to open this year. The two buildings have space for more than 5,000 employees.

A block away is the events center, theater, hotel and grocery store. Among the design innovations is a 2.5-acre rooftop park with an 18-hole miniature golf course, a beer garden and food truck lot, a dog park and a 250-seat amphitheater 11 stories above the street.

Capital One Center is approved for four high-rise apartment buildings and 100,000 more square feet of restaurants and retailing. Mr. Griffith said the bank had not decided on a timetable for the additions.

When it’s completed, Capital One Center will encompass enough office, retail, entertainment and residential space to be its own downtown.

“We think about where the world is headed and how to get there,” Mr. Griffith said. “Our campus reflects that.”
 

David Goldsmith

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Heated Driveways, Cryptocurrency Sales, and Other Luxury Real Estate Trends for 2022
In the year ahead, luxury real estate evolves with technology—and continues its move towards warmer climates

Last year, the pandemic shaped our priorities—that’s as true in luxury real estate as it was anywhere else. But 2021 saw a record year in high-end housing, with staggering deals, new emerging markets, and exciting trends in amenities.

We spoke with experts in the field to see what we can expect as 2022 unfolds.

A return to cities​

Erin Sykes, chief economist and real estate wealth advisor for Nest Seekers, says reports of migration to suburban and rural areas have been “a bit overblown.”

“We’re going to see at least a partial move back to cities, but it’s going to function differently,” Sykes tells AD PRO. “Now that we know we have the flexibility of working from home, or anywhere, people will hold pieds-à-terre in the city and main residences in other states.”

There can be tax advantages to being outside the city, and technology has allowed us to accomplish a lot remotely, she added, “but it’s still not a replacement for being face-to-face with your boss or pitching a concept at an in-person meeting.”

“We’re going to see a desire—not just a need—to get back to the workplace,” says Sykes. “Because it’s not healthy to sit at home all day.”

E.A. Stribling-Kivlan, senior managing director at Compass, says the pandemic has redefined what people think of as home base. They still want their apartment in New York or London, but also the option of another space to which they can easily relocate.

“We don’t think so much about second homes or ‘vacation’ homes anymore,” she said. “We’re more mobile. Working remotely means you don’t have to think, ‘Oh, I just have two weeks [of PTO to spend away from home].’ When the time is right you can go there—that’s the ultimate luxury.”

Buyers continue to move south​

John Walkup, cofounder of New York real-estate analytics firm UrbanDigs, agrees that city living is far from over.

“Buyers aren’t leaving the city environment,” Walkup tells AD PRO. “They’re shifting—looking at new markets and new spaces. Raleigh-Durham has gotten very hot, as has Austin
The numbers bear out his point: In December 2021, The Austin Business Journal reported that luxury homes accounted for nearly a quarter of sales volume in the Texas state capitol.

It doesn’t hurt that Austin has become another Silicon Valley, with Facebook, Tesla, Amazon, and numerous other firms expanding their presence there. Apple’s $1-billion, three-million-square-foot campus will house 5,000 employees when it opens in northwest Austin this year—with more to come. And in May 2022, Google is expected to open Block 185, a 35-story sailboat-shaped office tower that will include tenant amenities, retail, and a boardwalk, as well as a new outpost from Japanese restaurateur Uchi, according to Austonia, a local news organization.

West of downtown Austin, scenic Barton Creek continues to be one of the most expensive neighborhood in the state, and Walkup says there’s a surge of luxury home development around Lake Austin.
Farther east, Miami’s explosive growth in the luxury market will continue in 2022, says Sykes.

“It was happening before, but COVID-19 accelerated it: Because of Florida’s ‘business-friendliness,’ schools and businesses stayed open. People knew they could expect more continuity there,” she explains. “That reasoning has taken over, above and beyond the tax advantages, in the last three or four months.”

Branded residences continue to gain traction​

The boom of hotel-branded residences will continue in 2022, with The Standard, Waldorf Astoria, Mandarin Oriental, and E11EVEN all developing new residential properties in South Florida. (The area is already home to high-end homes from Ritz-Carlton, W Hotels, and Four Seasons, among others.)

But now other brands are entering the arena, too, with automotive, fashion, and even restaurant groups partnering with developers. According to Sotheby’s International Realty 2022 Luxury Outlook Report, there are already some 130 companies pursuing this type of investment, with at least another 40 entering the category within the next few years.

Several months ago, Bentley Motors announced the launch of its first dedicated residences, a 216-unit tower in Sunny Isles Beach, with sales starting at $4.2 million. The luxury British carmaker follows a path already driven by Porsche, Aston-Martin, and Pininfarina.

“Even if it’s not a hotel company, with a known brand you know what you’re getting,” Stribling-Kivlan tells AD PRO. “When you think ‘Porsche,’ you think ‘beautiful sleek design.’ You know they deliver a good product. Everything they do is reflected in their name. There’s a sense of security knowing you’re going to get something built to the highest level.”
These developments aren’t just for show, explains Oliver Essex, a senior sales associate at Qatar Sotheby’s International Realty. “For non-hospitality brands, residences are a way to diversify their business model and extend customer relationships,” he says. “If you’re advertising the residential product, it attracts people who love the brand. It’s not just about an apartment; it’s about a whole experience.”

Fashion companies are also eager to get involved in properties in South Florida: The just-announced Diesel Wynwood Condominium sees the Italian design company launching its first-ever luxury residential venture, with 159 residences north of downtown Miami. Units will range from studios to three-bedroom penthouses. It joins Giorgio Armani, Fendi, and Missoni in branding residences in The Magic City.

Properties like these are “an easy crutch for developers to lean on,” says UrbanDigs’s Walkup. “‘Don’t trust me, trust the brand.’ And that can also mean the lobby was done by Tommy Hilfiger, Karl Lagerfeld, or Ralph Lauren.”

All the amenities​

Including as many amenities as possible will be the name of the game for luxury residences, says Sykes, with condominiums feeling more and more like resorts: “You can get everything you want—dog-grooming, hair salons, restaurants, bowling alleys—without leaving the building. In this day and age, we’re leaning into the familiar and safe.”

Not only that, but many luxury buyers are looking for means of connecting to local communities, through transportation, beach clubs, and access to cultural institutions.

One unusual amenity Stribling-Kivlan has seen rise to the top of buyers’ wish lists, especially in climates where ice and snow can be a scourge: Heated driveways and streets. “With everyone feeling so much pressure, it’s just a little way to make life a bit easier,” she says.

Pandemic-related supply-chain issues have also made turnkey furnished properties must-haves for luxury buyers in 2022.

“There’s a huge premium for single-family homes and condos that are turnkey,” says Sykes, as the prospect of remodeling during a pandemic is a turnoff for many. And many buyers are willing to shell out for it, offering 20 to 30 percent more than they do for properties that need renovation.

Cryptocurrency’s growing influence on the market​

Last April, a Beverly Hills mega-mansion with a 20-foot water wall and 2,000-bottle wine cellar went on the market for $65 million—or its equivalent in Bitcoin. Then, a month later, a Miami penthouse made headlines when it sold for the equivalent of $22.5 million in cryptocurrency.

Expect more of this trend in the next year: In 2022, more businesses will support crypto-sales or accept mix-and-match currencies, according to Sotheby’s Luxury Outlook report, as both buyers and sellers become accustomed to it.

Max Dilendorf, a specialist in real estate transactions using cryptocurrencies, explains in the report that “there is an upward trend of people using digital assets to buy luxury goods. We represent a lot of clients in these transactions as lawyers and escrow agents.”

Some regions have made themselves extremely attractive to crypto-billionaires. Here, again, South Florida rises to the top of the pile. “Miami supports cryptocurrency,” says Sykes. “The mayor even takes part of his salary in crypto.”

After Hurricane Maria hit Puerto Rico in 2017, “you could get real estate for a song there,” she adds. “The crypto-crowd snatched up land and built compounds, golf courses and private airstrips.” Since then, the U.S. territory has become a tax haven for crypto-capitalists, but it’s also drawing investors looking for kindred spirits.

“It’s not just, ‘Move to Puerto Rico to save tax.’ It’s, ‘Move to Puerto Rico because everybody is there,’” tax attorney Giovanni Méndez told Bloomberg in a recent article on the trend.

Cryptocurrency appeals to millennials, says Stribling-Kivlan, “and they’re the largest segment of buyers in this market.”

But don’t expect Bitcoin or Ether to take hold everywhere just yet. “New York City is not the most friendly to crypto,” says Walkup. “It’s a relatively new phenomenon. As these individuals amass wealth, that will probably change. But we’re still a long way from that.”


Bigger is better
“With the pandemic, there’s been a focus on wellness, privacy and a sense of security,” says Stribling-Kivlan. “Forget about ‘tiny houses’—people want larger indoor and outdoor spaces.”

Homes are also more multifunctional now, she points out. “They incorporate our work spaces, schools, even the spa. And we need the space for all that, while not being right on top of each other.”

Because travel has been so restricted, Stribling-Kivlan adds, a lot of high-end buyers are looking to bring nature—and the world at large—into their homes: “Maybe it’s a garden, or a yoga room, or a sanctuary space. Getting away from it all while still being home.”
 

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People Are Going Out Again, but Not to the Office
Only a third of U.S. employees have returned to the office, as workers prefer remote and companies fear ordering them back

Americans are dining again in restaurants, attending sporting events, and flying throughout the country. But most are still steering clear of their office building, a sign that more than health concerns are keeping workers away.

Millions of office employees who fled business districts in December after the Omicron variant surged continue to work at home, despite the plummeting rate of Covid-19 infections and hospitalizations. Remote work remains the more popular option even as a number of states have announced plans to roll back mask requirements at indoor venues, businesses, and schools as the spread of the Omicron variant fades.

Thousands of companies that closed their offices in March 2020 have yet to announce return plans. An average of 33% of the workforce returned to the office during the first week of February in the 10 major cities monitored by Kastle Systems, which records building-access-card swipes.

The number has been slowly
sense of frustration is roiling cities that are highly dependent on sales and property taxes generated from healthy downtowns. Tens of thousands of small businesses nationwide—from pubs to dry cleaners and food trucks—rely on office workers and some have shut their doors for good after nearly two years without many of their main customers.

Many that remain open are scrambling to make rent payments and keep their operations alive. Some say that activity has improved a bit, but it is still far from where it was before the pandemic.


In Manhattan, about 10 to 15 customers a day pass through the First Class Barber Shop near Grand Central Terminal. Before the pandemic, the daily average was 50 to 60, said the owner, Nikita Shimunov. He has cut his staff from five to three, but he will still have to consider closing unless his landlord agrees to renegotiate his rent.

“I pray every day,” he said.

Restaurants and bars in business districts are hurting much more than those in residential areas. For example, in Massachusetts most of the 3,400 restaurants that have yet to reopen since March 2020 are located in downtown areas that depend on white-collar workers, according to Bob Luz, chief executive of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association.

Elected officials are imploring companies to send workers back to the office.

“Business leaders, tell everybody to come back,” said New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, in remarks before a civic organization earlier this month. “Give them a bonus to burn the Zoom app and come on back to work.”

The gap between public enthusiasm for office return and other activities underscores the wide range of factors other than health considerations that are slowing the return to work. After close to two years of working from home, surveys suggest most employees simply prefer it to the office, which often requires lengthy commutes and gives workers less flexibility in how they spend their days.

The number has been slowly rising from 23% during the first week in January, when even companies that had brought back workers were sending them home because of renewed health risks. The office return rate for the second week of February fell slightly from the first week, Kastle said late Monday.

That rate is still well off the high of 41% in the first week of December, before the full force of the Omicron variant hit. That is true even in cities like New York, where the infection rate is closing in on the level it was at before Omicron.

Meanwhile, the return rate to movie theaters in the first week of February was 58% of what it was before the pandemic, according to a Kastle analysis of industry statistics. Restaurants were nearly three-quarters as full as they were before Covid-19, and air travel had recovered to about 80%. Attendance at National Basketball Association games was 93% of what it was in February 2020, Kastle said.

“There’s a huge divergence between the ways that people are coming together in the other parts of their lives and the way they aren’t in the office,” said Mark Ein, Kastle Systems chairman.

A sense of frustration is roiling cities that are highly dependent on sales and property taxes generated from healthy downtowns. Tens of thousands of small businesses nationwide—from pubs to dry cleaners and food trucks—rely on office workers and some have shut their doors for good after nearly two years without many of their main customers.

Many that remain open are scrambling to make rent payments and keep their operations alive. Some say that activity has improved a bit, but it is still far from where it was before the pandemic.


In Manhattan, about 10 to 15 customers a day pass through the First Class Barber Shop near Grand Central Terminal. Before the pandemic, the daily average was 50 to 60, said the owner, Nikita Shimunov. He has cut his staff from five to three, but he will still have to consider closing unless his landlord agrees to renegotiate his rent.

“I pray every day,” he said.

Restaurants and bars in business districts are hurting much more than those in residential areas. For example, in Massachusetts most of the 3,400 restaurants that have yet to reopen since March 2020 are located in downtown areas that depend on white-collar workers, according to Bob Luz, chief executive of the Massachusetts Restaurant Association.

Elected officials are imploring companies to send workers back to the office.

“Business leaders, tell everybody to come back,” said New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, in remarks before a civic organization earlier this month. “Give them a bonus to burn the Zoom app and come on back to work.”

The gap between public enthusiasm for office return and other activities underscores the wide range of factors other than health considerations that are slowing the return to work. After close to two years of working from home, surveys suggest most employees simply prefer it to the office, which often requires lengthy commutes and gives workers less flexibility in how they spend their days.
 

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I would love to be in my office more; so sick of WFH in small apartment where Mr. Upstairs is also WFH.

But the article doesn't consider two things:

1) many of the things people are doing for "fun" are of much shorter duration than a workday -- i.e. exposure from a three-hour plane flight is presumably lesser than exposure from an eight-hour office day

and

2) many of the things people are doing for "fun" are more vaccine- and mask-mandated. The people I know who have traditional office jobs don't want to go into the office because they KNOW they will be rubbing elbows with nonvaccinated people -- whereas, if you go to the movies, you can convince yourself that's probably not the case.
 

David Goldsmith

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I also suspect that people aren't taking subway rides to those activities or going to the areas where their offices are (like Midtown). My extremely limited survey of people who I know with offices in Midtown has more WFH because they are afraid for personal safety (plus not having to commute, etc) than afraid of COVID at this point.
 

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They Fled for Greener Pastures, and There Were Weeds
City dwellers, who retreated to rural areas in the pandemic, now see drawbacks, from pests and social isolation to the difficulty of finding day care and health care.
For Andrew Joseph, the unexpected challenge of rural living was summed up in a single word: beavers. Mr. Joseph was enchanted by baby beavers swimming in the brook on his four-acre property in the town of Saugerties, N.Y., where he and his partner, Paul Pearson, have been sheltering since March 2020.
“I quickly learned that they’re horrible, nasty creatures that wreak havoc and destruction,” said Mr. Joseph, the head of a Manhattan public relations firm who still maintains a home in Harlem. The beavers dammed the brook in three places, creating a swamp behind the house, and built a den that is “the size of a small van.”
Mr. Joseph, 51, applied for a permit to remove the animals and awaited a visit from a beaver trapper. After a preliminary visit, he never showed up again, though a bear did.
Then one night the couple heard gunshots from a neighbor’s property, and, lo, the beavers were gone.

Two winters into the pandemic, New Yorkers who moved to the suburbs, exurbs or beyond, are taking stock of their low-density lifestyles. On the whole, their decision to relocate to places that frequently lack food delivery, municipal sewer systems and corner drugstores has been positive, judging from dozens of interviews and responses to questions on social media.
But even the most enthusiastic transplants remarked on a raft of unforeseen drawbacks: pests, property damage, social isolation, automobile dependence and a scarcity of health care and child care providers — conditions that locals have grappled with all their lives.
The less enthusiastic have pulled up stakes and returned to the city — or are hoping to do so if they can afford it now that New York’s real estate market is once again booming.
According to a report published in November by the New York State comptroller based on United States Postal Service change-of-address forms, a trend in migration from New York City following the March 2020 lockdown had reversed itself as of July 2021, motivated by the reopening of schools, offices and arts and entertainment offerings.

“In every month from March 2020 through June 2021, New York City lost more movers citywide than during the same month in 2019,” stated the report, which was issued before the Omicron variant emerged. “But since July 2021 monthly net losses have been comparable to or even slightly better than 2019,” culminating in “an estimated net gain since July of 6,332 permanent movers.”

“Everybody has lots and lots of feelings,” said Rebekah Rosler, 42, the founder of a Facebook group called “Into the Unknown,” which she conceived in the spring of 2020 for “those of us who have decided or are considering — willingly or otherwise — to join the exodus from NYC to greener pastures.”
The group, which has 13,500 members, is closed to reporters, so Ms. Rosler summarized the attitudes. At one pole are New Yorkers who were nudged by the pandemic into the premature fulfillment of a dream to leave the city and have not been disappointed; at the other pole are those who took flight more impulsively and are eager to return.

“Leaving has broken their identity,” she said.
Jasmine Trabelsi, 42, occupies the malcontents’ end of Ms. Rosler’s spectrum. In the fall of 2020, she and her husband, residents of Williamsburg, in Brooklyn, who both work in the tech industry, closed on a three-bedroom house in Woodstock, N.Y. Having already enrolled their 8-year-old daughter in a local school, they threw themselves on the mercy of the seller, who granted them two of the 15-minute slots doled out for viewing and accepted their bid in the mid-$600,000s.
Their sense of triumph did not last long. “We had a couple of friends in the area, but Covid is not a good time to move to a place where you don’t have a community,” Ms. Trabelsi said.
Many of the nearby houses were owned by seasonal residents or locals who had rented them, so the neighborhood had a transient feeling. And their own wobbly status as pandemic escapees who might stay or go discouraged easy attachments. The sense of dislocation made Woodstock seem to Ms. Trabelsi more like a vacation setting than a home.
Furthermore, they were on a mountaintop, and businesses and services (when they were open) felt remote.

The couple stayed until mid-August 2021, when Ms. Trabelsi injured her back and had trouble finding a doctor to treat it. They returned to their place in Brooklyn and plan to sell the Woodstock house after the ski season because their daughter enjoys the sport.
“What I found was that I’m a native New Yorker,” Ms. Trabelsi said.
Tara Silberberg, 53, also moved from Brooklyn to the Hudson Valley and was knocked back by the feeling of alienation. Born in New York, Ms. Silberberg owns the Clay Pot, a design and jewelry boutique her parents founded in Park Slope in the 1960s, which she now runs online.

In May 2020, she and her husband, Adam Brightman, a film production manager, broke their Brooklyn lease and moved into their weekend home in the Columbia County town of Gallatin, N.Y., accelerating a scheme they had planned to realize at some vague time in the future.

“I was not quite prepared for how lonely it was going to be, and I’m very social,” Ms. Silberberg said.
To strengthen her ties to the community, she dived into the local politics of Gallatin, and joined the board developing the town’s comprehensive plan. She also got involved with the Columbia County Democratic Committee.
Having been raised in rural western Massachusetts, where her parents retreated after a horrific 1973 acid attack left a Park Slope child blind, Ms. Silberberg said she speaks two languages: country and city. “I’m very direct and the people on my board appreciate that about me. In the country, there’s a lot of couching and people trying to say something and not wanting to be aggressive about it.”

She is also schooled in the sometimes-operatic inconveniences of rural life. In the first year of her family’s Massachusetts sojourn, the 1930s gravity-fed water system broke “and nobody knew how to fix it and we didn’t have water for a year,” she recalled. “I understood that the country doesn’t mean it’s always picking daisies.”

Some transplants came to realize that urban density, the close contact with fellow citizens that seemed so threatening in a time of pestilence, was the first thing they missed.
In July of 2020, Tisha Brown, a jewelry designer, moved with her husband and their now-6-year-old son to the Dutchess County village of Wappingers Falls, N.Y., from Forest Hills in Queens. They had failed to find an affordable three-bedroom city apartment, where they could live with Ms. Brown’s recently widowed father-in-law.
The four-bedroom farmhouse they are renting for $2,700 a month sits on 13 acres with a swimming pool and would be almost anyone’s dream of country living. The driveway is nearly a mile long, plenty of room for Ms. Brown’s son to ride his scooter. But he would prefer to scoot on a sidewalk or in a playground with other children. That requires a play date and a car trip.
Ms. Brown feels his pain. “I can’t go for a walk up the block and run into friends; everything’s scheduled,” she said, adding that she blames Covid as much as the country for the crushing of spontaneity.

Ms. Brown said she was largely satisfied with her family’s decision to relocate. “But I definitely miss the lifestyle.”

In larger Hudson Valley cities, an influx of metropolitans has increased the chances for spontaneous street encounters. It has also put a notorious strain on resources. As towns like Kingston and Hudson look more like Brooklyn Heights or Carroll Gardens, with stylish shops filling out the brick architecture and cultural events blooming through the cracks of the pandemic, housing and health care have been stretched thin for everyone.


This was the situation Katie Muscarella from Cobble Hill in Brooklyn encountered when she landed with her family in Kingston in July 2021, after a yearlong stretch in Vermont. Despite early and strenuous efforts to find day care for her toddler daughter, she spent a month driving half an hour, four times a day (in a leased car with mileage limits), to transport her child to and from the nearest preschool that would accommodate her. Not long after the move, Ms. Muscarella became pregnant with her second child and went in search of an available obstetrician who could deliver at the hospital she preferred. That took 14 weeks into her term and would have been 20 if she hadn’t routinely checked back and ultimately found a sympathetic ear at one practice (she is due in June).
A freelance software developer married to an entrepreneur, Ms. Muscarella, who is now 38, said she was not complaining. “Though these things are challenging, I wouldn’t say I’m upset about it, considering I’m part of the reason for the added demand in the economy here,” she said.

Many New Yorkers have built-in virtues that help them adapt to their new lives — initiative, energy, perhaps a facility with spreadsheets. Home repair and renovation skills are not necessarily among them.
“I’m waiting here for my contractor to call me back, which I don’t want my contractor to read or he’ll never call me back,” said a New York City transplant in Dutchess County. She asked not to be named so she could get some work done on her house.

“The homeownership thing is such a mind-bender,” said Ms. Rosler, of “Into the Unknown,” using a much spicier noun. A social worker and postpartum doula who said she was happy in her two-bedroom apartment in Stuyvesant Town–Peter Cooper Village (“a little utopia in the city,” she called it), she moved with her husband and three young children to Fairfield, Conn., a little more than a year ago. Since then, their house has flooded twice and played host to a dying air-conditioner and two mysteriously shattered custom windows in her sunroom.

“I love the house, I love where we are, I don’t regret it. But some days I say I don’t know if I can do this again,” Ms. Rosler said, referring to the next repair job.

Big rural parcels also make harsh demands.
“I hurt my back over two years ago when I did weed whacking, one of the perils of country life,” said Annette Schaich, 58.
Ms. Schaich, a New York-based marketing consultant in the design industry, has spent the pandemic in a southern New Hampshire farmhouse she shares with her husband, Tony Conway, 71, an artist who grew up and was educated in the state. The couple are stewards of 20 acres, which has claimed a bit of their health. “Tony fell from a ladder when he was renovating the barn and broke his knee,” Ms. Schaich said. She added that there is an excellent hospital in the area.

She has no complaints about her rural life, though more takeout would be appreciated. She likes the people, the politics (which mostly align with her own) and not least, the beauty. She dons a colorful vest during hunting season without resentment, to avoid getting shot.

Some transplants described looking at their old haunts with new eyes after spending months on end in their adopted environments. When Ms. Brown of Wappingers Falls traveled to the Upper West Side recently to help an aunt recovering from surgery, she was appalled by the trucks and traffic. “I don’t miss this,” she said. She also noticed she had lost the capacity to haul bags of groceries, a task she outsources to her Suburu Outback.
Mr. Joseph of Saugerties, on the other hand, has reversed his idea of refuge. When his country house lost power after an ice storm ravaged Ulster County early this month, he soldiered on for two days and nights before fleeing to his Harlem apartment. He has been returning more frequently as the city recovers some of its old vitality.
Saugerties, he said, “was the perfect place to ride out the pandemic, but my craving for urban energy — I’m hungry for that again.”
 

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Still hard to get the straight story on NYC population.

Startling data reveals how many people have fled NYC during COVID pandemic​

Coronavirus in NY: Eerie drone footage shows desolate streets in March 2020

The Big Apple’s population has been hollowed out during the COVID-19 pandemic — with Manhattan suffering the biggest population decline among all US counties, according to grim census data released Thursday.
New York County saw its population plunge by 110,958 or 6.9% between July 2020 and July 2021 — coinciding with the coronavirus pandemic.

New York City accounted for four of the top US counties with population losses.

Hudson County in neighboring New Jersey also landed in the top 10, which means the NY metropolitan region accounted for five of the top 10 counties with population losses.
Brooklyn’s population declined by 86,341 residents or 3.5%, the sixth-worst percentage in the nation.

The number of residents in “the boogie down” Bronx sank by 41,490 or 3.2% — the eighth-highest percentage drop.
Queens County followed in ninth place with a 3.1% decrease, or 64,648 population loss.
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Only Staten Island, Richmond County, escaped the top 10 list.
Meanwhile, 20,192 people fled Hudson County, or 3.1%. During the 12-month period, the city’s population as a whole plummeted by 3.5 percent or 305,665 people.
Gotham’s one-year population loss erased nearly half of the 629,057 population increase it gained the previous decade, noted E.J. McMahon, an analyst for the Empire Center for Public Policy.

Los Angeles County, the nation’s largest county with 9.8 million residents, had the largest numerical loss of people, 159,620.
New York City’s decline was largely driven by residents who moved elsewhere during the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak — a domestic migration outflow of 342,449 people, more than triple its annual migration losses from 2010 to 2020, McMahon’s analysis found. Offsetting that decline was a small “natural increase” of 29,000 people.
Even during the pandemic, births slightly outnumbered deaths in the city.

In many US counties with older populations, deaths had outnumbered births. The city also gained 12,695 immigrants during this period — a tiny bump compared to pre-pandemic years.

“Consistent with news accounts of New Yorkers flooding into the Hamptons, Suffolk County had the largest net domestic migration inflow in absolute terms, gaining 2,138 residents (1.4 per 1,000) after experiencing an annual net migration outflow of 8,000 in the previous decade,” McMahon said.
McMahon said the city’s post-pandemic future will depend on whether certain trends during the COVID-19 outbreak take hold, such as remote work instead of going to the office. More city firms are posting remote jobs where employees can work from anywhere.
“Will New York’s post-pandemic population trends become permanent, pointing to a new era of decline for New York City and a mix of modest growth and stagnation elsewhere? Will remote working lead to a repopulation of previously shrinking rural communities in New York?” he asked.

“Those remain open questions. No doubt some New York City residents flocking to suburbs and rural counties between 2020 and 2021 were already mulling such moves before the pandemic hit, then accelerated their plans when COVID-19 lockdowns began. If that was the case, Census estimates in the next two years will reflect much smaller changes.”
The Empire Center’s analysis shows that more city residents move to neighboring states such as New Jersey and Connecticut than relocated north to the Catskills and mid-Hudson Valley.
Many other Big Apple residents moved farther away, to metropolitan areas of the Southeast and West that already were growth hot spots, he said.

The new Census data highlighted the growth of smaller, less expensive metro areas at the expense of bigger cities such as New York, Los Angeles and San Francisco.
San Francisco County had the second-highest percentage loss after Manhattan — 6.7%
But New York’s smaller upstate metro areas have not benefited from the exodus of people from the nation’s most densely populated city.
“The benefits of this trend seem to be eluding the metro areas of upstate New York. While rural communities in some regions have rebounded, the more developed counties containing the cities of Albany, Buffalo, Rochester and Syracuse — and, for that matter, Binghamton, Niagara Falls and Utica — did not grow at all last year,” McMahon said.
Manhattan Borough President Mark Levine said his borough took a hit for being at the epicenter of a once-in-a-century pandemic, and called the population plunge cited in the census “an anomaly.”
He said the worst of the COVID-19 outbreak has passed and there’s evidence of a post-pandemic comeback.
“The demand for apartments — both rental and purchase — is off the charts,” Levine said.
Levine acknowledged challenges remain, including the need to get crime under control.
“We have more work to do. We have to get public safety right,” he said.
 

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Where have home values grown more, suburbs or cities? The answer may surprise you​

Longtime trend has reversed since last summer, a Zillow report finds​

First, let’s get one myth out of the way: Home prices did not rise faster in the suburbs than in urban areas when the pandemic hit. Urban home values outperformed their suburban counterparts for the first 15 months of Covid, through July 2021, as they had since the beginning of 2013.
But in the past nine months, that trend has reversed, according to a report by Zillow. Since July, the typical suburban home has gained $66,500 in value, versus $61,700 for the typical urban home.

What about the notion that the pandemic caused families to seek more square footage and outdoor space? While those are associated with suburbs, they are also common in the nation’s urban areas, most of which are not densely populated or packed with residential towers. Think, Cincinnati. Or most of Brooklyn, for that matter.
Work-from-home did untether many Americans from city centers, but for the first year-plus of the pandemic, most employees did not know how long remote work would last and were unwilling to bet their home purchases on it. That sentiment might have shifted since last summer.

Zillow economist Nicole Bichaud said limited inventory could explain suburbia’s recent home price appreciation. There could also be an opportunity now for buyers in urban areas.
“That could mean competition for homes will be lighter near city centers this home shopping season, something we haven’t been able to say for nearly a decade,” Bichaud said.

While suburban home values are now growing faster than urban ones, both are still growing. Additionally, urban homes could retake the crown soon; in each of 2022’s first three months, the gap has shrunk.

Not every city is created equal in the fight between the suburban and urban zip codes. No metro area has seen a starker contrast than San Francisco, where the annual growth in suburban areas since July 2021 has outpaced the growth in urban areas by more than $85,000. No other city’s differential came within $50,000 of that.
Other metro areas to rank in the top 10 of difference between suburban and urban home value growth include Miami-Fort Lauderdale ($34,000) and Los Angeles ($32,000).
Despite the differences, nearly all homeowners had reason to celebrate last year, as housing prices soared. In Zillow’s analysis, the typical value of a home rose 19.6 percent nationally to $321,634, an increase of $52,667 from 2020.

Homes actually out-earned their owners: It was the first time Zillow recorded that the increased value of a typical home was greater than inflation-adjusted median pretax income.
 

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I'm having trouble reconciling what is being presented in this article with the large increases in rents and tax collections. Anyone care to hazard an explanation?
The Flight of New York City’s Wealthy Was a Once-in-a-Century Shock
New tax data reveal a steep population loss in 2020, toward the start of the pandemic. The exodus was temporary, but how much of its effects could be permanent?

When roughly 300,000 New York City residents left during the early part of the pandemic, officials described the exodus as a once-in-a-century shock to the city’s population.
Now, new data from the Internal Revenue Service shows that the residents who moved to other states by the time they filed their 2019 taxes collectively reported $21 billion in total income, substantially more than those who departed in any prior year on record. The IRS said the data captured filings received in 2020 and as late as July 2021.
Many new or returning residents have since moved in. But the total income of those who had initially left was double the average amount of those who had departed over the previous decade, a potential loss that could have long-term effects on a city that relies heavily on its wealthiest residents to support schools, law enforcement and other public services.

The sheer number of people who left in such a short period raises uncertainty about New York City’s competitiveness and economic stability. The top 1 percent of earners, who make more than $804,000 a year, contributed 41 percent of the city’s personal income taxes in 2019.

About one-third of the people who left moved from Manhattan, and had an average income of $214,300. No other large American county had a similar exodus of wealth.
Early in the pandemic, Sam Williamson, 51, a white-collar defense lawyer living on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, first relocated to Utah, then to Long Island. After a return to the city, he and his family permanently moved to Miami last year when his law firm opened an office there..

“I love New York City, but it’s been a challenging time,” Mr. Williamson said. “I didn’t feel like the city handled the pandemic very well.”

The average income of city residents who moved out of state was 24 percent higher than of those who moved the year prior, according to a New York Times analysis of federal tax returns that were due in 2020. It was the biggest one-year income increase among people who left the city for other states in at least a decade.

The tax data is in line with the most recent Census Bureau estimates, which showed that in the first year of the pandemic, the number of New York City residents who left was more than triple the typical annual outflow before the pandemic. International immigration, a key source of growth in New York, plummeted to one-fourth the level prepandemic. And the death rate surged, as approximately 17,000 more residents died than in a typical year.

All of this led to a loss of about 337,000 people in New York City between April 2020 and June 2021, according to census estimates, a startling drop after the city’s population reached 8.8 million residents, a record high, in early 2020.
New York City’s official demographers say that the pandemic was a blip in the city’s long-term population growth and that migration trends have returned to prepandemic levels, pointing to indicators like change-of-address requests and soaring rents that suggest people are flooding back.

But, they said, it is too soon to conclude when the population that was lost will be completely replaced.
And other indicators suggest flight from the city may be continuing. Public school enrollment this year is down 6.4 percent compared with before the pandemic, according to New York City Department of Education data, and private school enrollment decreased by 3 percent, according to state data, potentially signaling a reduction in the number of families that could hurt the city’s ability to foster a diverse work force.
“All of these are underlying trends that are concerning,” said Andrew Rein, president of the Citizens Budget Commission, a nonpartisan fiscal watchdog. “We don’t know what this means permanently, but things have shifted in a way that should give anybody looking at this some serious pause.”
In the years before 2019, the people who left and the people who stayed in New York City had similar average incomes, the IRS data showed. But during the pandemic, the residents who moved had average incomes that were 28 percent higher than the residents who stayed.

Still, New York City collected more tax revenue in both 2020 and 2021 than in 2019, thanks in part to at least $16 billion in federal pandemic aid.

The outlook for this year has become much less certain as the stock market has plummeted in recent months and certain forms of federal aid, like stimulus checks and expanded unemployment benefits, have ended.
The city’s Independent Budget Office said it was not possible to calculate the tax revenue lost from the people who had moved because some of them could be working remotely for New York-based companies and paying city income tax. In the long term, the office said, their tax status could become a major policy issue as states fight for their share of taxes from remote workers.
Sophia and Charlie Blackett relocated last year to Rowayton, Conn., from Brooklyn, partly because both of their jobs in tech allowed them to permanently work from home. Ms. Blackett, 27, had previously considered raising children in the city, but the confinement of the pandemic shifted her thinking.

“I used to thrive on the hustle and bustle,” she said. Now, she said, “I think about waking up in my bed in an apartment, and I just feel a little bit anxious.”
The issue has become a talking point in the governor’s race. Gov. Kathy Hochul, a moderate Democrat, said earlier this year that the steep population drop in New York State, driven by the city losses, was “an alarm bell that cannot be ignored.” Representative Tom Suozzi of Long Island, a centrist challenging her in this month’s primary, has blamed the exodus on crime, high taxes and an unaffordable cost of living.
Gergana Ivanova, 28, a clothing designer and social media influencer, said her decision to move to Miami was less about taxes. The pandemic made the downsides of living in New York City more noticeable, she said, including the lack of space in her tiny Queens apartment and the trash piling up on the sidewalks. She felt less safe walking around when the streets were emptier.

“It didn’t feel happy and positive like it used to,” she said.

Urban planners and economists have long debated the extent to which policymakers should be concerned about the outflow of New Yorkers to other states. Some see it as a positive sign of mobility for people who start their careers in New York, making way for new arrivals to inject vibrancy into neighborhoods.
In a new report published Thursday, the Department of City Planning said federal immigration levels and change-of-address data from the Postal Service show that New York City’s population trends likely returned to prepandemic levels by the second half of 2021. And deaths from Covid-19 are significantly lower than early in the pandemic.
Since the 1950s, New York City has had a net loss of residents to other states, but the population still grew because the number of immigrants and new births surpassed the number of people who moved away.
The pandemic spurred a flight to many of the same suburbs that have long attracted New Yorkers seeking more space, including Connecticut’s Fairfield County and New Jersey’s Bergen and Essex Counties. But it also triggered residents to leave for more far-flung destinations, including Hawaii, the Florida Keys and ski towns in Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

The exodus to Florida was especially robust, and not just for the retiree crowd. In 2020, New York City had a net loss of nearly 21,000 residents to Florida, IRS data showed, almost double the average annual net loss from before the pandemic.

The pandemic accelerated the relocation of several New York-based financial firms to new offices or headquarters in Florida. Many of them have landed in Palm Beach, Fla., including the hedge fund Elliott Management, whose co-chief executive, Jonathan Pollock, is now a full-time Florida resident, according to records obtained by The New York Times.

The Manhattan residents who moved to Palm Beach County had an average income of $728,351, IRS data showed.

Many New Yorkers also moved because they lost their jobs in the industries hardest hit by the pandemic. In New York City, the unemployment rate is almost double the nation’s, in part because the city still has at least 61,000 fewer leisure and hospitality jobs than before the pandemic, according to the most recent jobs report.
Zak Jacoby was the general manager of a bar on the Lower East Side when the pandemic hit. Throughout 2020, his employment status fluctuated with the city’s changing indoor dining rules, a stressful period that put him on and off unemployment benefits.
Mr. Jacoby, 37, flew to Miami in January 2021 to see a friend — and decided to stay permanently after getting a job offer at a local restaurant group. If there was another virus surge, he said, the state would be less likely to shut down businesses, giving him more job security.
“My mind-set was, Florida’s more lenient on Covid, and there’s going to be less regulation,” he said.

During his first six months in office, Mayor Eric Adams visited cities like Miami and Los Angeles as part of what he said were efforts to lure businesses and residents back to New York.

Jonathan Koplovitz, 53, an executive at an automotive engineering and design start-up, is among the residents who came back.

As the virus began sweeping through New York, Mr. Koplovitz and his family moved from their apartment in Manhattan’s Chelsea neighborhood to Aspen, Colo., the upscale ski resort town. Expecting to stay permanently, they bought a home about a mile from the ski lifts, where his two teenage sons finished the rest of the school year with virtual classes.
But on a trip back to New York, he found the city to be far more vibrant than the darkest days of the pandemic. Once in-person schooling resumed in fall 2020, the family decided to return.
“There’s no place like New York,” Mr. Koplovitz said.
 

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I would use the verb "reported" rather than "had" when talking about the average income of Manhattan residents moving to Palm Beach, but that's just me.
 

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Bye bye, San Francisco: The top 7 U.S. cities homebuyers are seeking to leave​

From coast to coast, prospective homebuyers are on the hunt for affordability — even if it means leaving their city to find it.
A record number of potential U.S. homebuyers are seeking to relocate, according to a report published last week by real estate brokerage firm Redfin. The report ranked the cities Redfin users appeared most likely to try to leave — San Francisco, Los Angeles and New York topped the list.

“The typical home in San Francisco or San Jose now costs more than $1.5 million,” Taylor Marr, Redfin’s deputy chief economist, said in the report. “Add in today’s 5%-plus mortgage rates and you have a sky-high monthly payment.”
Marr noted that a lack of affordability is a tougher sell for cities than ever before, with the rise of remote work across large swaths of the country. Roughly 33% of Redfin users searched for homes in new cities in the second quarter of 2022, up from 26% in 2019 before the Covid-19 pandemic hit.
Here are the top seven cities prospective homebuyers are seeking to leave, according to Redfin’s report:
  1. San Francisco
  2. Los Angeles
  3. New York
  4. Washington D.C.
  5. Seattle
  6. Boston
  7. Detroit
Denver, Chicago and Minneapolis round out the list’s top 10. Collectively, they represent some of the country’s most populous cities: Minneapolis is the only one on the list with fewer than 650,000 people, according to U.S. Census data.
To compile its list, Redfin analyzed searches across more than 100 metro areas from about 2 million of its users. It compiled metrics like “net inflow” and “net outflow,” which refer to the number of people who sought to enter a given city compared with the number of people who wanted to leave it.

The cities with the most net outflow are the ones people most want to leave, according to the report. Correspondingly, these cities with the most net inflow may see an influx of homeowners in the coming months:
  1. Miami
  2. Tampa, Florida
  3. Phoenix
  4. Sacramento, California
  5. Las Vegas
  6. Cape Coral, Florida
  7. San Diego
  8. North Port, Florida
  9. San Antonio
  10. Dallas
Florida, California and Texas each have multiple cities on that list — perhaps indicating an American craving for warm weather, particularly mid-summer. Florida is a particularly popular destination, occupying four of the top 10 slots.
Plenty of people search sites like Redfin with no intention of buying a house. The company says its analysis excluded such searches. Marr noted that Redfin’s data typically aligns with U.S. Census migration patterns, an indication of its usual accuracy.
“We believe our data is a strong leading indicator of actual moving decisions,” he said.
 

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Cities are going to need to deal with increasing costs and decreasing revenues. The model for Real Estate taxation in NYC has been broken for a long time, everyone wants it reformed, but no one has the will to fix it. Remember former Mayor De Blasio promised and failed. But it's more than that evidenced by the MTAs dire financial report today.

How a ‘Golden Era for Large Cities’ Might Be Turning Into an ‘Urban Doom Loop’​

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The past 30 years “were a golden era for large cities,” Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh, a professor of real estate and finance at Columbia Business School, wrote in November 2022: “A virtuous cycle of improving amenities (educational and cultural institutions, entertainment, low crime) and job opportunities attracted employers, employees, young and old, to cities.”
New York, Los Angeles, Boston and San Francisco, Van Nieuwerburgh continued, “became magnets for the highest-skilled employees and the top employers, with particular concentrations in finance and technology.” In late February and early March 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic hit New York and other population hubs. In Van Nieuwerburgh’s telling, the Covid-19 crisis “triggered a massive migration response. Many households fled urban centers. Most of these Covid migrants moved to the suburbs.”
As the pandemic endured and subsequent coronavirus variants prompted employers to postpone return-to-office plans, Van Nieuwerburgh noted, “Covid-induced migration patterns began to take on a more persistent character. Many households transitioned from temporarily renting a suburban home to purchasing a suburban home.”
In Van Nieuwerburgh’s view — and that of many of his colleagues — what seemed like a transitory step to avoid infection has become a major force driving the future direction of urban America.

Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic, will bring the three-decade renaissance of major cities to a halt, setting off an era of urban decay. They cite an exodus of the affluent, a surge in vacant offices and storefronts, and the prospect of declining property taxes and public transit revenues.
Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks, the amenities of city life are very likely to diminish.

Jacob Brown, a postdoctoral fellow at Princeton’s Center for the Study of Democratic Politics, elaborated in an email on the consequences for cities of the more than 20 percent of urban employees now working full or part time from home:
With respect to crime, poverty and homelessness, Brown argued:
One thing that may occur is that disinvestment in city downtowns will alter the spatial distribution of these elements in cities — i.e. in which neighborhoods or areas of a city is crime more likely and homelessness more visible. Urban downtowns are often policed such that these visible elements of poverty are pushed to other parts of the city where they will not interfere with commercial activities. But absent these activities, there may be less political pressure to maintain these areas. This is not to say that the overall crime rate or homelessness levels will necessarily increase, but their spatial redistribution may further alter the trajectory of commercial downtowns — and the perception of city crime in the broader public.
“The more dramatic effects on urban geography,” Brown continued,
may be how this changes cities in terms of economic and racial segregation. One urban trend from the last couple of decades is young white middle- and upper-class people living in cities at higher rates than previous generations. But if these groups become less likely to live in cities, leaving a poorer, more disproportionately minority population, this will make metropolitan regions more polarized by race/class.
My Times colleague Nicholas Fandos documented the damage that even the perception of rising crime can inflict on Democrats in a Nov. 27 article, “Meet the Voters Who Fueled New York’s Seismic Tilt Toward the G.O.P.”: “From Long Island to the Lower Hudson Valley, Republicans running predominantly on crime swept five of six suburban congressional seats, including three that President Biden won handily that encompass some of the nation’s most affluent, well-educated commuter towns.”

And on Tuesday, Mayor Eric Adams of New York announced a plan to subject severely mentally ill people who are found on subways or city streets to involuntary hospitalization.

Nicholas Bloom, an economist at Stanford, described some of the economic forces at work in an email:
In big cities like New York and San Francisco we estimate large drops in retail spending because office workers are now coming into city centers typically 2.5 rather than five days a week. This is reducing business activity by billions of dollars — less lunches, drinks, dinners and shopping by office workers. This will reduce City Hall tax revenues.
Compounding the problem, Bloom continued:
Public transit systems are facing massive permanent shortfalls as the surge in working from home cuts their revenues but has little impact on costs (as subway systems are mostly a fixed cost). This is leading to a permanent 30 percent drop in transit revenues on the New York subway, San Francisco BART, etc.
These difficulties for cities will not go away any time soon. Bloom provided data showing strong economic incentives for both corporations and their employees to continue the work-from-home revolution if their jobs allow it:
First, “Saved commute time working from home averages about 70 minutes a day, of which about 40 percent (30 minutes) goes into extra work.” Second, “Research finds hybrid working from home increases average productivity around 5 percent and this is growing.” And third, “Employees also really value hybrid working from home, at about the same as an 8 percent pay increase on average.”

In the case of New York, Bloom wrote that he is “reasonably optimistic in the long run” and “current office leasing markets are soft but not in collapse.”
That view is not shared by three other experts in real estate economics, Arpit Gupta of N.Y.U.’s Stern School of Business, Vrinda Mittal of the Columbia Business School and Van Nieuwerburgh. They anticipate disaster in their September 2022 paper, “Work From Home and the Office Real Estate Apocalypse.”
“Our research,” Gupta wrote by email,
emphasizes the possibility of an “urban doom loop” by which decline of work in the center business district results in less foot traffic and consumption, which adversely affects the urban core in a variety of ways (less eyes on the street, so more crime; less consumption; less commuting) thereby lowering municipal revenues and also making it more challenging to provide public goods and services absent tax increases. These challenges will predominantly hit blue cities in the coming years.
In their paper, the three authors “revalue the stock of New York City commercial office buildings taking into account pandemic-induced cash flow and discount rate effects. We find a 45 percent decline in office values in 2020 and 39 percent in the longer run, the latter representing a $453 billion value destruction.”

Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the “total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run.”
Their conclusions are not necessarily cast in concrete, but they are bleak:
We estimate that remote work is likely to persist and result in long-run office valuations that are 39.18 percent below prepandemic levels. The decline in office values and the surrounding central business district retail properties, whose lease revenues have been hit at least as hard as office, has important implications for local public finances.
For example, the share of real estate taxes in N.Y.C.’s budget was 53 percent in 2020, 24 percent of which comes from office and retail property taxes. Given budget balance requirements, the fiscal hole left by declining central business district office and retail tax revenues would need to be plugged by raising tax rates or cutting government spending.
Both would affect the attractiveness of the city as a place of residence and work. These dynamics risk activating a fiscal doom loop. With more people being able to separate the location of work and home, the migration elasticity to local tax rates and amenities may be larger than in the past.
In a separate email, Van Nieuwerburgh warned:
As property values of urban office and urban retail fall, with the increased importance of work from home, so do the tax revenues generated from those buildings and the associated economic activity. Since local governments must balance their budget, this means that they need to raise tax revenues elsewhere or cut public spending. The former is bad for the business climate. The latter is bad for the quality of life in the city: cuts to public transit, schools, police departments, sanitation departments, etc. As the quality of public services deteriorates, crime could increase, making public transit potentially even less attractive. More generally, an urban doom loop could ensue, whereby lower property tax revenues beget lower spending and higher taxes, triggering more out-migration, lower property values, lower tax revenues, less public spending, more crime and worse schools/transit, more out-migration.
In his November 2022 paper, “The Remote Work Revolution: Impact on Real Estate Values and the Urban Environment,” Van Nieuwerburgh writes:
Since March 2020, Manhattan has lost 200,000 households, the most of any county in the U.S. Brooklyn (–88,000) and Queens (–51,000) also appear in the bottom 10. The cities of Chicago (–75,000), San Francisco (–67,000), Los Angeles (–64,000 for the city and –136,000 for the county), Washington, D.C. (–33,000), Seattle (–31,500), Houston (–31,000) and Boston (–25,000) make up the rest of the bottom 10.
As major cities are caught in a downward fiscal spiral, the forces driving the process will be felt in varying stages. The loss of transit ridership fares and sales taxes is immediate; declining residential, retail and office property taxes will take longer to phase in as new appraisals are performed; drops in income tax revenues will occur as families moving outside city limits change their legal residence.

One of the major consequences of these patterns, Jessica Trounstine, a political scientist at the University of California, Merced, wrote in an email, “has been segregation in fiscal capacity within metro areas.” In most cases, she suggested, “the people who will leave cities will likely be higher income and whiter than the people who stay. This means that prior patterns will only be amplified, not reversed.”

There are a number of ways to describe the changing character of urban America and the ever-evolving nature of post-pandemic life.
Trace Hadden Loh, a Brookings fellow, wrote in an email that one way to view an urban downtown is like “a natural ecosystem” that has received a major shock:
Prior to the pandemic, these ecosystems were designed to function based on huge surges in their daytime population from commuters and tourists. The shock of the sudden loss of a big chunk of this population caused a big disruption in the ecosystem.
Just as the pandemic has caused a surge in telework, Loh wrote, “it also caused a huge surge in unsheltered homelessness because of existing flaws in America’s housing system, the end of federally funded relief measures, a mental health care crisis and the failure of policies of isolation and confinement to solve the pre-existing homelessness crisis.”
The upshot, Loh continued,
is that both the visibility and ratio of people in crisis relative to those engaged in commerce (whether working or shopping) has changed in a lot of U.S. downtowns, which has a big impact on how being downtown “feels” and thus perceptions of downtown. These negative perceptions have become a real barrier to further recovery and are also shaping local elections, especially out West, where homelessness is worse, such as last year’s Seattle mayoral election or the recent L.A. mayoral election.
Some urban experts have a less pessimistic outlook.
Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard and an author, with David Cutler, of the 2021 book “Survival of the City: The Future of Urban Life in an Age of Isolation,” wrote by email: “Conventional economic theory suggests that real estate markets will adjust to any reduction in demand by reducing price. Some of this has already happened in commercial real estate.” Glaeser also noted that “many businesses that thought that they were priced out of N.Y.C., San Francisco and Boston markets will reconsider if commercial prices are 30 percent lower.”
In fact, Glaeser argued, while
a 30 percent drop in rents in N.Y.C. or S.F. would not lead to disaster, a similar drop in Buffalo or Cleveland might be more problematic because many landlords might just decide to walk away from their properties. In that case, a bleak spiral could begin where vacancies beget vacancies as the urban service providers that cater to local businesses shut down or relocate as well.
The nation, Glaeser continued, is
at an unusual confluence of trends which poses dangers for cities similar to those experienced in the 1970s. Event No. 1 is the rise of Zoom, which makes relocation easier even if it doesn’t mean that face-to-face is going away. Event No. 2 is a hunger to deal with past injustices, including police brutality, mass incarceration, high housing costs and limited upward mobility for the children of the poor.
Progressive mayors, according to Glaeser,
have a natural hunger to deal with these problems at the local level, but if they try to right injustices by imposing costs on businesses and the rich, then those taxpayers will just leave. I certainly remember New York and Detroit in the 1960s and 1970s, where the dreams of progressive mayors like John Lindsay and Jerome Patrick Cavanagh ran into fiscal realities.
In the short run, Glaeser wrote,
both the reduction in tax revenues and current political impulses are likely to lead to more crime and homelessness, which will in turn create more of an urban exodus. I am sufficiently optimistic about cities to think that they are likely to react relatively quickly to that exodus and then pivot to being smarter about urban management. In this more hopeful scenario, the likely medium-term effect is to create a new generation of city manager-mayors, like Mike Bloomberg, who care about inequity but fight it in a smart way.
Richard Florida, a professor of economic analysis and policy at the University of Toronto, stands out as one of the most resolutely optimistic urban scholars. In his August 2022 Bloomberg column, “Why Downtown Won’t Die,” Florida asks, “Can America’s iconic downtowns survive?” His answer:
Great downtowns are not reducible to offices. Even if the office were to go the way of the horse-drawn carriage, the neighborhoods we refer to today as downtowns would endure. Downtowns and the cities they anchor are the most adaptive and resilient of human creations; they have survived far worse. Continual works in progress, they have been rebuilt and remade in the aftermaths of all manner of crises and catastrophes — epidemics and plagues; great fires, floods and natural disasters; wars and terrorist attacks. They’ve also adapted to great economic transformations like deindustrialization a half century ago.
What the Covid-19 pandemic has done, Florida argues, “is to accelerate a set of changes in our downtowns that were already underway. Vestiges of the industrial age, they were gradually evolving from the one-dimensional, work-only central business districts of the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s.”

In an email, Florida wrote that many urban central business districts are “relics of the past, the last gasp of the industrial age organization of knowledge work, the veritable packing and stacking of knowledge workers in giant office towers, made obsolete and unnecessary by new technologies.”
Now, he argued, “Downtowns are evolving away from centers for work to actual neighborhoods. Jane Jacobs titled her seminal 1957 essay, which led in fact to ‘The Death and Life of Great American Cities,’ ‘Downtown Is for People’ — sounds about right to me.”
Despite his optimism, Florida acknowledged in his email that
American cities are uniquely vulnerable to social disorder — a consequence of our policies toward guns and lack of a social safety net. Compounding this is our longstanding educational dilemma, where urban schools generally lack the quality of suburban schools. American cities are simply much less family-friendly than cities in most other parts of the advanced world. So when people have kids, they are more or less forced to move out of America’s cities.
Florida made the case in his email that cities have become critically important incubators:
What worries me in all of this, in addition to the impact on cities, is the impact on the American economy — on innovation and competitiveness. Our great cities are home to the great clusters of talent and innovation that power our economy. Remote work has many advantages and even leads to improvements in some kinds of knowledge work productivity. But America’s huge lead in innovation, finances, entertainment and culture industries comes largely from its great cities. Innovation and advance in these industries come from the clustering of talent, ideas and knowledge. If that gives out, I worry about our longer-run economic future and living standards.
While the future path of cities remains uncertain, Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at Princeton, provided an overview of the problems they face:
Cities that have lost revenue from commercial activity have received substantial support from the federal government over the last few years, but that assistance won’t be sustained in the future. What comes next is not clear, but big cities have to reinvent themselves in an era when the downtown business district seems to be permanently changing. The risk that comes with fiscal distress is clear: If city governments face budget shortfalls and begin to cut back on funding for public transit, policing, and street outreach, for the maintenance of parks, playgrounds, community centers and schools and for services for homelessness, addiction and mental illness, then conditions in central cities will begin to deteriorate.
The result?
When support for the people and the basic institution of urban life is withdrawn, people suffer and public spaces start to empty out. This, along with the rising prevalence of guns across the country, creates the conditions for gun violence to worsen, reinforcing the process of decline. None of this is inevitable, and we know that investments in the people and institutions of cities are effective in creating safe, thriving public spaces. But it’s not entirely clear to me where those investments will come from if revenue falls in the years to come.
In a paper from September, “Working From Home Around the World,” Nicholas Bloom, whom I cited earlier, and five colleagues argue that “the implications for cities are more worrisome. The shift to working from home reduces the tax base in dense urban areas and raises the elasticity of the local tax base with respect to the quality of urban amenities and local governance.”
There is reason for both apprehension and hope. Cities across time have proved to be remarkably resilient and have survived infectious diseases such as bubonic plague, cholera, smallpox and polio. The world population, which stands today at eight billion people, is 57 percent urban, and because of the productivity, innovation and inventiveness that stems from the creativity of human beings in groups, the urbanization process is quite likely to continue into the foreseeable future. There appears to be no alternative, so we will have to make it work.
 

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Cities are going to need to deal with increasing costs and decreasing revenues. The model for Real Estate taxation in NYC has been broken for a long time, everyone wants it reformed, but no one has the will to fix it. Remember former Mayor De Blasio promised and failed. But it's more than that evidenced by the MTAs dire financial report today.

How a ‘Golden Era for Large Cities’ Might Be Turning Into an ‘Urban Doom Loop’​

Mr. Edsall contributes a weekly column from Washington, D.C., on politics, demographics and inequality.
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The past 30 years “were a golden era for large cities,” Stijn Van Nieuwerburgh, a professor of real estate and finance at Columbia Business School, wrote in November 2022: “A virtuous cycle of improving amenities (educational and cultural institutions, entertainment, low crime) and job opportunities attracted employers, employees, young and old, to cities.”
New York, Los Angeles, Boston and San Francisco, Van Nieuwerburgh continued, “became magnets for the highest-skilled employees and the top employers, with particular concentrations in finance and technology.” In late February and early March 2020, the Covid-19 pandemic hit New York and other population hubs. In Van Nieuwerburgh’s telling, the Covid-19 crisis “triggered a massive migration response. Many households fled urban centers. Most of these Covid migrants moved to the suburbs.”
As the pandemic endured and subsequent coronavirus variants prompted employers to postpone return-to-office plans, Van Nieuwerburgh noted, “Covid-induced migration patterns began to take on a more persistent character. Many households transitioned from temporarily renting a suburban home to purchasing a suburban home.”
In Van Nieuwerburgh’s view — and that of many of his colleagues — what seemed like a transitory step to avoid infection has become a major force driving the future direction of urban America.

Scholars are increasingly voicing concern that the shift to working from home, spurred by the Covid pandemic, will bring the three-decade renaissance of major cities to a halt, setting off an era of urban decay. They cite an exodus of the affluent, a surge in vacant offices and storefronts, and the prospect of declining property taxes and public transit revenues.
Insofar as fear of urban crime grows, as the number of homeless people increases and as the fiscal ability of government to address these problems shrinks, the amenities of city life are very likely to diminish.

Jacob Brown, a postdoctoral fellow at Princeton’s Center for the Study of Democratic Politics, elaborated in an email on the consequences for cities of the more than 20 percent of urban employees now working full or part time from home:
With respect to crime, poverty and homelessness, Brown argued:

“The more dramatic effects on urban geography,” Brown continued,

My Times colleague Nicholas Fandos documented the damage that even the perception of rising crime can inflict on Democrats in a Nov. 27 article, “Meet the Voters Who Fueled New York’s Seismic Tilt Toward the G.O.P.”: “From Long Island to the Lower Hudson Valley, Republicans running predominantly on crime swept five of six suburban congressional seats, including three that President Biden won handily that encompass some of the nation’s most affluent, well-educated commuter towns.”

And on Tuesday, Mayor Eric Adams of New York announced a plan to subject severely mentally ill people who are found on subways or city streets to involuntary hospitalization.

Nicholas Bloom, an economist at Stanford, described some of the economic forces at work in an email:

Compounding the problem, Bloom continued:

These difficulties for cities will not go away any time soon. Bloom provided data showing strong economic incentives for both corporations and their employees to continue the work-from-home revolution if their jobs allow it:
First, “Saved commute time working from home averages about 70 minutes a day, of which about 40 percent (30 minutes) goes into extra work.” Second, “Research finds hybrid working from home increases average productivity around 5 percent and this is growing.” And third, “Employees also really value hybrid working from home, at about the same as an 8 percent pay increase on average.”

In the case of New York, Bloom wrote that he is “reasonably optimistic in the long run” and “current office leasing markets are soft but not in collapse.”
That view is not shared by three other experts in real estate economics, Arpit Gupta of N.Y.U.’s Stern School of Business, Vrinda Mittal of the Columbia Business School and Van Nieuwerburgh. They anticipate disaster in their September 2022 paper, “Work From Home and the Office Real Estate Apocalypse.”
“Our research,” Gupta wrote by email,

In their paper, the three authors “revalue the stock of New York City commercial office buildings taking into account pandemic-induced cash flow and discount rate effects. We find a 45 percent decline in office values in 2020 and 39 percent in the longer run, the latter representing a $453 billion value destruction.”

Extrapolating to all properties in the United States, Gupta, Mittal and Van Nieuwerburgh write, the “total decline in commercial office valuation might be around $518.71 billion in the short run and $453.64 billion in the long run.”
Their conclusions are not necessarily cast in concrete, but they are bleak:

In a separate email, Van Nieuwerburgh warned:

In his November 2022 paper, “The Remote Work Revolution: Impact on Real Estate Values and the Urban Environment,” Van Nieuwerburgh writes:

As major cities are caught in a downward fiscal spiral, the forces driving the process will be felt in varying stages. The loss of transit ridership fares and sales taxes is immediate; declining residential, retail and office property taxes will take longer to phase in as new appraisals are performed; drops in income tax revenues will occur as families moving outside city limits change their legal residence.

One of the major consequences of these patterns, Jessica Trounstine, a political scientist at the University of California, Merced, wrote in an email, “has been segregation in fiscal capacity within metro areas.” In most cases, she suggested, “the people who will leave cities will likely be higher income and whiter than the people who stay. This means that prior patterns will only be amplified, not reversed.”

There are a number of ways to describe the changing character of urban America and the ever-evolving nature of post-pandemic life.
Trace Hadden Loh, a Brookings fellow, wrote in an email that one way to view an urban downtown is like “a natural ecosystem” that has received a major shock:

Just as the pandemic has caused a surge in telework, Loh wrote, “it also caused a huge surge in unsheltered homelessness because of existing flaws in America’s housing system, the end of federally funded relief measures, a mental health care crisis and the failure of policies of isolation and confinement to solve the pre-existing homelessness crisis.”
The upshot, Loh continued,

Some urban experts have a less pessimistic outlook.
Edward Glaeser, an economist at Harvard and an author, with David Cutler, of the 2021 book “Survival of the City: The Future of Urban Life in an Age of Isolation,” wrote by email: “Conventional economic theory suggests that real estate markets will adjust to any reduction in demand by reducing price. Some of this has already happened in commercial real estate.” Glaeser also noted that “many businesses that thought that they were priced out of N.Y.C., San Francisco and Boston markets will reconsider if commercial prices are 30 percent lower.”
In fact, Glaeser argued, while

The nation, Glaeser continued, is

Progressive mayors, according to Glaeser,

In the short run, Glaeser wrote,

Richard Florida, a professor of economic analysis and policy at the University of Toronto, stands out as one of the most resolutely optimistic urban scholars. In his August 2022 Bloomberg column, “Why Downtown Won’t Die,” Florida asks, “Can America’s iconic downtowns survive?” His answer:

What the Covid-19 pandemic has done, Florida argues, “is to accelerate a set of changes in our downtowns that were already underway. Vestiges of the industrial age, they were gradually evolving from the one-dimensional, work-only central business districts of the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s.”

In an email, Florida wrote that many urban central business districts are “relics of the past, the last gasp of the industrial age organization of knowledge work, the veritable packing and stacking of knowledge workers in giant office towers, made obsolete and unnecessary by new technologies.”
Now, he argued, “Downtowns are evolving away from centers for work to actual neighborhoods. Jane Jacobs titled her seminal 1957 essay, which led in fact to ‘The Death and Life of Great American Cities,’ ‘Downtown Is for People’ — sounds about right to me.”
Despite his optimism, Florida acknowledged in his email that

Florida made the case in his email that cities have become critically important incubators:

While the future path of cities remains uncertain, Patrick Sharkey, a sociologist at Princeton, provided an overview of the problems they face:

The result?

In a paper from September, “Working From Home Around the World,” Nicholas Bloom, whom I cited earlier, and five colleagues argue that “the implications for cities are more worrisome. The shift to working from home reduces the tax base in dense urban areas and raises the elasticity of the local tax base with respect to the quality of urban amenities and local governance.”
There is reason for both apprehension and hope. Cities across time have proved to be remarkably resilient and have survived infectious diseases such as bubonic plague, cholera, smallpox and polio. The world population, which stands today at eight billion people, is 57 percent urban, and because of the productivity, innovation and inventiveness that stems from the creativity of human beings in groups, the urbanization process is quite likely to continue into the foreseeable future. There appears to be no alternative, so we will have to make it work.
It's beyond time for cities to start taxing rich people, but we can't do that because... they'll leave! That's what Luv Guv Cuomo said! But if, as this article suggests, the rich people have already decamped from the big cities, (presumably they're already in Florida), who else is going to leave?

I mean... we won't really know how the Future of Cities plays out until it plays out. But I have certainly heard enough anecdata that WFH isn't more productive to know that companies will probably continue to push for RTO, so the idea that where we are now is where we going to be ... because of Facebook's policies? ... seems kind of premature.

Let's look back at history: Remember how, right after 9/11, NYC was DOOMED? This moment feels kinda like that. Maybe we are, maybe we aren't, but it feels to me, as an optimist, that this is early innings and we've got plenty of time for the city's resiliency to kick in.

Also, I do feel like a lot of these scholars, with the exception of Richard Florida, are somewhat conservative, and that their politics are something of a lens for them. (Is now a good time to point out that Edsall, for example, seems to live in Maryland, not DC.?)

I personally have an interesting perspective because I'm a city person who spends significant time in the suburbs, and I do understand the draws of both environments. But in our case, if anything is going to push us out, it wouldn't be "scary Downtown": it would be the policies of a DINO mayor who is re-allocating, basically by end-running the process, a giant chunk of the school budget.

However, to think about the patient's condition RN: yesterday I was zooming around Midtown, and took a quick peek at the tree, and it looked plenty touristy.
 

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I also think we are seeing a rise in the disconnect between what we see on media (especially social media) between the loudest voices and what the majority are actually doing/thinking/experiencing. Two examples I can think of:
1) There's been a huge rise in the discussion of "Urbanism"/YIMBY with a large push to eliminate zoning, etc. This rages while for the past 2 1/2 years there's actually been a large decampment from large cities which has driven up prices of SFR all across the country, and
2) The War On Cars/Transportation Alternatives/Open Streets with the newest conceit being the 5% who commute by bicycle/10% who regularly use bicycles for any trip calling the 45% of NYC who own cars/70% who regularly travel in them "the minority." Unfortunately they seem to have captured NYCDOT and now Congestion On Purpose mandates seem to be a firmly entrenched public policy.
 

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Manhattan regains 17K people after pandemic migration​

New York County notches population gains as state weighs lagging development
MAR 31, 2023, 11:24 AM
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Manhattan made up the most ground among New York City locales after pandemic-era migration.
For the 12-month period ending in July 2022, the county encompassing Manhattan gained more than 17,000 residents, according to U.S. Census Bureau population estimates reported by the Associated Press. The figure is a marked reversal from the 12 months prior, when the county lost 111,000 residents.

While Manhattan’s population is turning around, some of the outer boroughs’ head counts are shrinking. The three counties encompassing Queens, Brooklyn and the Bronx each lost between 40,000 and 50,000 residents, some of the biggest declines in the country.
“This is still not really a COVID recovery year,” CUNY sociology professor emeritus Andrew Beveridge told the AP. “It’s only sort of a recovery.”

The city’s population estimates come with the backdrop of Gov. Kathy Hochul’s plans to boost housing development in the Empire State, which has fallen behind population growth in the last decade.
New York City’s population rose 4.25 percent (or more than 350,000 people) over the past decade, but housing units increased at less than half that pace — up just 2 percent from 3.52 million units in 2010 to 3.59 million in 2020, The Real Deal previously reported.
New York County as restrictions eased, even with rents soaring across the country. Seattle’s King County, Dallas County in Texas and Miami-Dade County in Florida all made gains, buoyed by international immigrants.

None had the biggest surge in population, though. That distinction belonged to Maricopa County in Arizona, home to Phoenix, which welcomed 57,000 residents during the 12-month period.

Some of the counties comparable to New York County lost residents. Los Angeles County lost the most residents, surrendering more than 90,000 over those 12 months. Trailing right behind the California locale was Cook County in Illinois, home of Chicago.
Several Bay Area counties also saw population declines, though they paled in comparison to the outflows of the pandemic’s first full year.
The data from the Census Bureau, which looked at patterns in migration and immigration patterns on top of births and deaths, are one estimate among multiple ways to try and track population movements in the United States, such as change-of-address data.
 

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Nearly third of New Yorkers want to leave state — fed up with crime, housing costs, poor schools and more: poll
Nearly third of New Yorkers want to leave state — fed up with...

April 12, 2023 | 5:48pm


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New Yorkers are so worried about crime, sky-high housing costs and struggling schools, 27% percent of state residents said they want to move away in the next five years, a survey revealed Wednesday.

A stunning 30% of respondents — who also cited inept political leadership and soaring taxes as reasons for wanting to flee — said they already longed to live somewhere else, according to a Siena College Research Institute quality of life poll.

Nearly a third — about 31% — plan to leave the Empire State when they retire while even more said they believe it’s not safe for kids.

Angela Gutierrez, 38, of East Harlem, is one of the many New Yorkers who will soon ditch the state.

“We’re going to Pennsylvania at the end of the month,” the home health aid and mother of three told The Post.

“We moved twice in the last 3 years! We moved out of the Bronx and it is better here but still not safe,” she said, adding “all the crazy people” have driven her family away.

“And everything is expensive! They’re raising the rent again and we can’t. It’s going up almost $800 a month so we are moving down where my sister-in-law lives,” she said.

Statue of Liberty with a suitcase.
Over 1/4 of New Yorkers want to leave the state in the next five years.
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A total of 40% of respondents said New York is not a good place to raise children — including an alarming 61% of black respondents — and 26% said the overall quality of education is fair or poor as a statewide debate rages over opening more charter schools.

The widespread urge to hit the road is distressing for New York, which hemorrhaged residents during and after the worst of the coronavirus outbreak.

“These are high numbers. These are take your breath away numbers,” Don Levy, SCRI’s polling director said of the number of New Yorkers wanting to leave.

Three of New York City’s five counties — Queens, Brooklyn and The Bronx — saw some of the largest population declines in America last fiscal year, with only Manhattan bucking the post-COVID trend, according to US Census data released Thursday.

Many suburban and upstate counties, including Westchester, Suffolk and Nassau, also saw populations plunge, as residents said adios while few moved to the areas.

Survey respondents said they want to leave for the following reasons:

Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens experienced dramatic population declines in 2022 as Manhattan rebounded
Bronx, Brooklyn, Queens experienced dramatic population declines in 2022 as Manhattan rebounded

A staggering 67% of residents said New York wasn’t affordable, while only 33% said it was.
49% of respondents rated New York fair or poor when asked if it is a place where they feel safe from crime. Only 51% gave an answer of good or excellent. Crime surged during the pandemic as New York’s bail and discovery laws were softened.
60% said New York is not a good place to retire, while only 38% said it was.
57% said the political system doesn’t work for them, compared to 38% who said it did. Democrats rule New York politics.
Only 60% of respondents said NY was a good place to raise a child, 39% said it wasn’t — including 41% of Big Apple residents and 61% of black residents.
About one-third of residents rated New York’s quality of life negatively, while 67% rated it positively.
About 40% rated New York’s environmental quality poorly, while 60% rated it positively.
A total of 40% of respondents also gave a cloudy assessment of New York’s weather, while 62% said they liked the four seasons of spring, summer, autumn and winter.

Nearly a third plan to leave the Empire State when they retire.

Around 2/3 of New Yorkers say the state is too expensive.
NY Post composite
Overall, New York has among the highest combined tax burden in the country, and even Gov. Kathy Hochul said crushing housing costs are causing people to leave and is pushing a plan to reverse the exodus.

One policy analyst said New York’s spendthrift political leaders are largely to blame for residents fleeing the state.

“New York’s affordability challenge is, to a great extent, a self-inflicted problem stemming from tax and regulatory policies. Everything from healthcare to energy to homeownership is more expensive than it needs to be,” said Tim Hoefer, CEO of the Empire Center for Public Policy.

“One of the top things people consider when they’re deciding where to live is the quality of the schools. New York spends over $25,000 per student but we don’t get the sort of results that kind of money should buy us. That’s because many state officials are focused more on what the teachers union want than on what children and families need,” Hoefer said.

The New York City Department of Education is now spending nearly $40,000 per student amid dwindling enrollment and lackluster academic results, according to an analysis released Tuesday.

Residents’ views of New York’s quality of life has worsened since a similar Siena survey was conducted in 2017. In that poll, 82% of residents said they were satisfied where they lived and 67% felt they lived in a safe neighborhood.

Levy, the Siena pollster, said, “New York is a nice place to live — if you can afford it.”

“Most say that there’s a lot to love here in New York – other New Yorkers, the quality of both education and healthcare, the availability of quality leisure activities and the opportunity to be successful – but two-thirds give the state a poor grade on affordability, and half of all New Yorkers, and about 60% of lower income residents, those over 50, Blacks and Republicans say that as a place where you feel safe from crime, the state is only fair or poor.”


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Overall, Big Apple residents gave higher quality of life grades in the survey than their suburban and upstate counterparts. By contrast, in the 2017 survey, suburbanites and upstaters felt more positive about where they live.

The survey of 398 residents was conducted between March 6 and 9 and has a margin of error of plus or minus 3.9 percentage points.
 
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