City v Suburbs

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New Yorkers Are Fleeing to the Suburbs: ‘The Demand Is Insane’
The pandemic is spurring home sales as prosperous city residents seek more space. One listing had 97 showings and received 24 offers.

Over three days in late July, a three-bedroom house in East Orange, N.J., was listed for sale for $285,000, had 97 showings, received 24 offers and went under contract for 21 percent over that price.
On Long Island, six people made offers on a $499,000 house in Valley Stream without seeing it in person after it was shown on a Facebook Live video. In the Hudson Valley, a nearly three-acre property with a pool listed for $985,000 received four all-cash bids within a day of having 14 showings.
Since the pandemic began, the suburbs around New York City, from New Jersey to Westchester County to Connecticut to Long Island, have been experiencing enormous demand for homes of all prices, a surge that is unlike any in recent memory, according to officials, real estate agents and residents.
In July, there was a 44 percent increase in home sales for the suburban counties surrounding the city when compared with the previous year, according to Miller Samuel Real Estate Appraisers & Consultants. The increase was 112 percent in Westchester, just north of New York City, and 73 percent in Fairfield County, Conn., just over the state border.

At the same time, the number of properties sold in Manhattan plummeted 56 percent, according to Miller Samuel.

The suburban demand, driven in part by New York City residents who are able to work remotely while offices are closed, raises unsettling questions about how fast the city will be able to recover from the pandemic. It is an exodus that analysts say is reminiscent of the one that fueled the suburbanization of America in the second half of the 20th century.
It is not just crowded open houses, multiple offers and bids above asking prices. People in New Jersey suburbs who have no interest in putting their homes on the market are receiving unsolicited calls and knocks on the door from brokers asking if they want to sell.

Of course, residents have left New York City for the suburbs for decades, especially to bring up children in towns with strong public schools. And it is very difficult to predict whether the new migration will continue at this pace once a vaccine for the coronavirus is available and office towers in the city fully reopen. What’s more, most New York City residents do not have the means to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on a home in the suburbs.
Experts have predicted New York City’s demise during past crises, including the Sept. 11 terror attacks, only to be proven wrong. In fact, even as office towers in Manhattan remain largely empty because of the outbreak, some businesses, including Amazon and Facebook, are expanding their footprints, betting that workers will eventually return to their desks.
Still, many companies and workers have become much more comfortable with remote work during the outbreak, suggesting that the suburbs will remain very attractive for the foreseeable future.
For now, many buyers in the suburbs are expressing concern about the health risks of living in densely packed urban neighborhoods. Facing pandemic restrictions, they want room that New York City often cannot provide: a yard for their children to play and an office to work remotely. Many want land, even if it means being farther away from Manhattan.
Some buyers have told brokers they are concerned about reports of rising crime in New York City, real estate agents said. (Overall crime has not spiked in the city, but shootings have, Police Department data shows.)
“The people from New York are coming with a sense of urgency, and the thing they want is space,” said James Hughes, a real estate agent in New Jersey, who added that roughly 60 percent of potential buyers for his properties live in the city. “The demand is insane.”
Zack Stertz and Zoe Salzman joined the buying frenzy in June. After 15 years in Brooklyn, they said they realized soon after the pandemic struck that their two-bedroom apartment with a backyard, generous by New York standards, was too small for working from home with two young sons.

They could not afford a renovated brownstone in Brooklyn and were worried that New York City schools would not open for in-person classes in the fall, so they looked at New Jersey. They weren’t the only ones, their broker at the Allison Ziefert Real Estate Group warned them, suggesting they act fast.

When a four-bedroom house in Maplewood, N.J., appeared on the market on June 12, they toured it on June 14 and two days later submitted an offer over the $799,000 listing price — the highest bid among many offers. The sellers accepted it.
“To give up living in Brooklyn and move to suburbs, we just couldn’t see ourselves there,” said Ms. Salzman, 39, a lawyer whose office is in Manhattan. “But the pandemic helped make this choice for us.”
The flight out of New York City could inhibit the city’s economic recovery and its ability to maintain quality-of-life services like the police and sanitation, said Maria Doulis, vice president of strategy and operations at the Citizens Budget Commission, a nonpartisan fiscal watchdog.

“What is worrisome is that the high-income earners, particularly those with more than $1 million, provide a substantial amount of resources to the New York City budget,” Ms. Doulis said. “To lose them would really represent a blow to the budget.”
Mayor Bill de Blasio said this week that he had no doubt that New Yorkers who left during the pandemic would eventually return, though he appeared to be referring more to people who had temporarily moved elsewhere, including to second homes.
“If you don’t think New York City is coming back,” Mr. de Blasio said, “then you don’t know New York City.”
Still, real estate agents across the region say they have been swamped with calls from New Yorkers who are rethinking their desire to stay.

Moving companies have said they cannot keep up with the demand. Metropolis Moving in Brooklyn said the number of quotes for out-of-state moves jumped by more than 200 percent in May and in June compared with those months last year, and by more than 165 percent in July versus a year ago. Most people seeking quotes were moving to the city’s suburbs, he said, though others were moving to areas stretching from Washington, D.C., to Boston.

Zoe Salzman and Zack Stertz, far right, in Maplewood, N.J.Credit...Karsten Moran for The New York Times
Across New Jersey, more than 29,700 homes were sold in June and July, an increase of 33 percent over the same period in 2019, according to the Otteau Group, a real estate data and appraisal firm.
Jeffrey G. Otteau, who is the president of the company, said the buying spree was particularly notable because it was happening when fewer homes were on the market.
From the start of the year through July, the inventory in New Jersey dropped 40 percent compared with same period last year — a sign that many homeowners in the state were staying put during an uncertain economy.
“The demand has to come from somewhere, and we think most of that is coming from New York City,” Mr. Otteau said. “In some ways, this looks to me like the 1960s and 1970s, when there was a large outflow of the population pushing into the suburbs.”
Mr. Hughes, the New Jersey real estate agent, said he had multiple clients who each lost bids on about half-dozen homes, including a two-bedroom house in East Orange that received 25 offers. It sold for $345,000 — 21 percent over the asking price.
“It’s crazy for any period,” he said.
For more than two months, Rennes Toussaint and her fiancé, Olajide Keshinro, have been looking at houses in New Jersey. The couple, who live in a 500-square-foot apartment in Queens, have submitted offers for four homes, but lost out on all of them.

Before the outbreak, the couple discussed leaving the city for the suburbs, but never this soon. It became urgent when Mr. Keshinro, who plays professional basketball overseas, suddenly returned home early, Ms. Toussaint said, and the apartment felt even smaller.
“We thought it would be easy, but it’s very, very, very competitive,” Ms. Toussaint, 33, said about the housing search.
In New York’s Hudson Valley, the number of homes sold in July in Putnam County jumped 35 percent from the year before; they climbed 19 percent in Dutchess County.

Melissa Carlton, a broker at Houlihan Lawrence, said the area’s picturesque towns and scenic views had long attracted second-home buyers and people who want weekend getaways. But New York City residents have recently explored the area for permanent residences.
“Last year, people would say that a property may be too far away from the train station,” Ms. Carlton said. “That is not the case this year.”
That is how Rehana Alam and Sadi Alam feel. They live with their three children — ages 9, 7 and 4 — in a home they own in Jamaica, Queens. It is a 15-minute commute for Sadi Alam, a podiatrist, to get to work.
But the Alams have been concerned that her children have been largely confined to their home during the pandemic. Over the summer, the couple decided to get more indoor and outdoor space for their children.

On Wednesday, they closed on a five-bedroom house with a pool on two acres in Dix Hills, Long Island, about 30 miles east of Queens.
“The best thing I could have done was provided them more space,” Ms. Alam, 35, said. “Looking at their sad faces, it just wasn’t worth staying in Queens.”

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Stripe is paying employees $20,000 if they leave big cities — but they'll also get a pay cut
Stripe is paying employees $20,000 if they relocate from expensive cities such as San Francisco, Seattle and New York, where the company has offices. But workers who make the move will have to take a 10% pay cut.
"We want our employees to be able to make whatever life choices they feel are best for them without barriers," a spokesperson for the financial services and software company told CNN Business.
Leaving big cities has become increasingly popular since the pandemic hit. Signed contracts for sales of condos and co-ops in Manhattan, for example, plunged nearly 60% in July, while contracts for single-family homes in areas outside of New York City have skyrocketed, according to a recent report from real estate brokerage Douglas Elliman and Miller Samuel, a real estate appraisal and consulting firm.

Some commuting Americans are already saving money during the pandemic. Americans traveled nearly 37 billion fewer miles on the road in June, compared to the same month last year, according to the Federal Highway Administration.
Fewer miles translates into money saved. Employees who once commuted by car but now work from home are saving a total of $758 million per day, according to research from freelancing platform Upwork. Over the months since the pandemic hit the US, that figure amounts to more than $90 billion.

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Are New Yorkers coming back? These charts tell the story
Traffic and Citi Bike are normal again, but not much else is

Six months after New York was locked down — and 420,000 residents packed up and left — the city has largely reopened. Its Covid rate has been under 1 percent since midsummer. But are New Yorkers returning to town and their routines?
The answers are in the data.
The Real Deal drilled into the numbers to see if people are heeding calls by the real estate industry and elected officials to come back. We found that while traffic is nearly back to normal and Citi Bike is more used than ever, other levels of activity — though improving — remain well below pre-pandemic levels, and especially in Manhattan.

Since Phase 4 of reopening began in July, the city has been taking smaller steps toward normalcy. While theaters, clubs and indoor dining rooms remain closed, gyms and malls were allowed to reopen at limited capacity in August, as dining rooms will be at the end of this month.

Other signs of life: Foot traffic has bounced back in outer-borough neighborhoods, though it remains low in formerly touristy areas such as Times Square. Cars are circling again and complaints about finding parking are on the rise (on Twitter, anyway). And this week, after some stops and starts by Mayor Bill de Blasio, public schools started welcoming students again.

The Real Deal interviewed office landlords and looked at metrics — including public transit use, garbage collection, and mobility information — to see if, and where, New Yorkers are coming back. There are encouraging signs, but things aren’t back to normal just yet.

Landlords and real estate professionals are starting to see activity pick up at office buildings, after a very slow start once they were allowed to reopen in July.
Peter Riguardi, president of JLL in the tri-state area, said he has seen a noticeable increase at 330 Madison Avenue, where the firm has an office.

“In July and August I don’t remember riding the elevator with anyone other than myself,” he said in an interview. “But now you’re seeing more people as you navigate the floor to grab a Diet Coke or go to the men’s room or ride the elevator. The last few days have been like going back to school.”

The Durst Organization, one of the city’s major office landlords, has seen slightly promising indicators, with usage increasing more than 20 percent at its buildings after Labor Day — but only from about 8 percent to 10 percent occupancy. Fisher Brothers has seen a similar shift, with 10 percent of tenants present at the company’s office buildings after Labor Day weekend, up from just 4 percent earlier this summer.

“We’re hearing from tenants that they are looking forward to getting back to the office, where they can collaborate and be more productive,” said partner Ken Fisher. The company has added thermal temperature scanners and UV air-purifying systems to its properties to help workers feel safe.

“Post-Labor Day, there has been a real shift in tenants’ desires to get back to work, and we’re here to help them do that. We are all in,” he added.

Public transport took a big hit in the early days of the pandemic, with subway, Long Island Rail Road and Metro-North ridership all collapsing by more than 90 percent from monthly averages a year prior. According to data from the Metropolitan Transportation Authority, the recovery has been slow, with ridership on these modes of transport still at less than one-third of pre-coronavirus levels in mid-September.

Bus ridership, meanwhile, declined less steeply early on and has also recovered more quickly in recent months. That appears to have been boosted, in part, by bus service being free for most of the summer, with riders encouraged to board from the back to protect drivers from infection. As of mid-September, with bus fares reinstated, ridership is back to just about half of pre-coronavirus levels.

Car traffic, on the other hand, is closer to a full recovery: Traffic on the MTA’s seven bridges and two tunnels is just about 10 percent below the pre-pandemic average. This uneven recovery has attracted the attention of officials as well, amid concerns that lighter public transit use could make traffic congestion worse than it was before the pandemic.

“Leave the car at home. Take public transportation,” Gov. Andrew Cuomo told New Yorkers two weeks ago. “Try it. I think you’re going to be favorably impressed.”
Another mode of transit that has emerged as an alternative subways and buses is Citi Bike. Although the total number of rides is not out of line with that of previous years, the duration of a typical Citi Bike ride is significantly longer now, indicating a shift in travel and commuting patterns. A larger share of riders is now paying for single rides or day passes instead of annual memberships.

Mobility metrics — measuring people moving around — from location data firm Unacast show that Manhattan trails far behind the other boroughs in average distance traveled per day. The data also show that the city’s mobility rebound plateaued in July before surging in August, a trend that is reflected in mobility data for other counties across the country.

Garbage collection is another area that has seen a noticeable shift from pre-coronavirus levels — and where Manhattan has lagged the other boroughs. Monthly collection of all types of waste has risen significantly in the outer boroughs since the start of the pandemic, and this surge is most visible in the metal, glass and plastic category. Waste collection in Manhattan, meanwhile, has held steady or declined, depending on the type of waste.

The shift in garbage collection can be attributed to outer-borough residents being more likely than Manhattanites to continue living here, a Department of Sanitation spokesperson told The City when the trend first emerged in April.

But while these signs might give the city’s real estate industry hope, a return to what some might consider normal — the ability to linger at a restaurant, go to a concert, or be in an office with dozens of coworkers — will be difficult before a coronavirus vaccine becomes widely available.

Attempts at bringing larger numbers of employees back to offices have been uneven, as JPMorgan’s experience this month demonstrates. The investment bank sent some employees home after a worker tested positive for Covid-19, just days after directing some to return to the office.
“I think that’s what we’re going to have to expect with this virus,” JLL’s Riguardi said.

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“On the verge of a tragedy:” The stark numbers of a pandemic-hit NYC
City faces economic challenges not seen since the 1970s

About 24,000 New Yorkers have lost their lives to the coronavirus.
The city’s unemployment rate is 16 percent — twice the national average. And just 10 percent of Manhattan workers have returned to the office, putting into question the value of the city’s prime office stock.
Personal income tax revenue is projected to drop by $2 billion this fiscal year.

Only a third of hotel rooms are occupied, and Manhattan apartment vacancies crept over 5 percent in August for the first time in at least 14 years.
Those are the figures that best tell the impact of the coronavirus outbreak on New York City, which is facing structural challenges not since the fiscal crisis of the 1970s, according to the New York Times.

One stark example: Shares of Empire State Realty Trust, the REIT that owns the Empire State Building, have fallen by 50 percent this year.
“We’re on the verge of a tragedy,” Richard Ravitch, the former state official who helped New York City with its financial recovery in the 1970s, told the Times.

Sales tax revenue fell 35 percent in the second quarter and 15 percent so far this year, according to the Times. Income tax revenue is also expected to drop for the next few months.
The third pillar of the city’s revenue — property taxes — is the most stable, though property tax delinquencies have already risen and landlords are gearing up to challenge their assessments.

Ravitch is calling for sweeping budget cuts and the establishment of a financial control board. The city, facing a $9 billion revenue shortfall, has explored the option of deficit spending, and reportedly wants the state to authorize up to $5 billion in borrowing.

But the Times notes that deficit spending may not cure the city’s ills — meanwhile, it cannot count on the state for support, as the state is facing its own $14.5 billion revenue shortfall. And federal help has been hard to come by.
“It’s clear there are going to be hits for years to come, you can’t deny that,” Bill Neidhardt, the press secretary for Mayor Bill de Blasio, told the Times. “We’ve been calling for a stimulus, and Washington has done what they do, which is nothing.”

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Billionaires continue to flee their Upper Eastside mansions.
Ron Perelman shopping side-by-side Upper East Side homes for $75M
Financier has also reportedly sought to sell his East Hampton estate in recent weeks

Billionaire businessman Ron Perelman is looking to unload two connected townhouses on the Upper East Side for $75 million.
The investment banker is seeking $65 million for the larger of two homes he owns on East 63rd Street, the Wall Street Journal reported. That property spans 19,000 square feet and was originally built to be the Hangar Club, a private club for aviators. The smaller of the two houses, which spans just 7,000 square feet, is asking $10 million.
The two townhouses, which sit about a block and a half from Central Park, are connected via a door and are listed separately, but could also be sold together. Serena Boardman of Sotheby’s International Realty has the listing.
Perelman did not confirm the listing, but said in a statement to the Journal that the pandemic has led him to “think carefully about myself and my business, and to reset my priorities.”
The investment banker, who leads the firm MacAndrews & Forbes, has also sold off a number of other personal assets, including jet airplanes, yachts and parts of his art collection, according to the Journal. Perelman is also reportedly shopping his East Hampton estate for $180 million as a whisper listing, but has denied reports that it was on the market.
Others have sought to rid themselves of their luxe Upper East Side mansions recently, even if that means listing them at a steep discount. Developer Keith Rubenstein of Somerset Partners reduced the price of his palatial New York home at 8 East 62nd Street from $84.5 million in 2016 to $65 million when it re-listed in September.

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Long Island plots to keep gains from pandemic shift out of NYC
Repurposing office parks, malls seen as key to retaining new interest in suburbs

Long Island is aiming to keep the business it grabbed from New York City during the pandemic, and now it has marching orders.
Those include: more live-work housing, new uses for fading malls and corporate campuses, pop-up retail for downtown vacancies and outdoor enhancements.
The Long Island Regional Planning Council, a regional planning organization representing Nassau and Suffolk counties, commissioned two studies to set its priorities for the area’s economic development.
Among the findings were a need for housing with multi-generational living and slightly larger than multi-family rentals, spurred by foreclosures on the horizon and a reduced need for studio and one-bedroom apartments. Additionally, the studies called for Long Island to rezone to better accommodate work-from-home and extended families.

“There is significant synergy between the two studies as the long-term impact of Covid-19 can dramatically transform land use, such as a growing demand for suburban communities with thriving downtowns as people move away from dense urban housing,” said John Cameron, the planning council’s chairman, in a statement.

The studies also found that Long Island should reimagine uses for obsolescent malls and shopping centers, such as using the space for fulfillment centers — think Amazon warehouses — or housing. Uncertainty in spending, bankruptcies and the possibility that 50 percent of mom-and-pop shops might not survive the pandemic are all reasons to be hesitant of retail, according to the studies.
Office parks need repurposing as “many office building sites in suburban areas will languish unoccupied until a market-receptive use materializes,” one study reads.

Instead, the area will shift towards industrial spaces, pop-up retailers and mixed-use developments in the next 36 months and beyond.
“The findings of the two studies announced today prove that across Nassau and Suffolk counties we must address the challenges — and embrace the opportunities — to ensure we have a thriving economy on Long Island as we move past the pandemic,” the council’s executive director, Richard Guardino, said in a statement.
Restrictions facing New York have, for months, given Long Island an advantage over the city, resulting in renters rushing to the area. The area reopened for indoor dining in June, capturing customers, while New York restaurants had to wait until the end of September. Covid-10 surged again this month in a number of Brooklyn neighborhoods, sending them back into lockdown.

But for many years before Covid, Long Island business leaders warned that its suburban areas were struggling to hang on to twentysomethings and needed to adapt as New York City gained nearly 1 million jobs. Malls and “corporate parks” fell out of favor, while walkable neighborhoods and commercial districts became all the rage.
The business communities of Nassau and Suffolk Counties, not content to see Long Island become a giant bedroom community, have been pushing for redevelopment of its downtowns and transit-oriented development around its Long Island Rail Road stations.

Some of that has happened, but the island is still dotted with aging legacy assets, such as tired shopping centers surrounded by acres of asphalt. Covid, the studies found, has provided an opportunity as more living space and outdoor activity became a priority for many New Yorkers.

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Connecticut sales soar in third quarter
Figures show interest in the suburbs surged over summer

Connecticut is seeing more than just leaves changing color and flight-avoiding tourists. It’s also seeing a high volume of home buyers looking to move.
Sales of single-family homes in the third quarter increased 30 percent year-over-year, to 13,960 from 10,698, according to a report by Compass. Average price surged 26 percent, to $478,915.

Homes also didn’t languish on the market, selling after just 64 days, or 6 percent faster than last year’s 68.

“With more people telecommuting and/or going into the office less frequently, many are seeking larger homes with more space and land as opposed to homes predicated on distance and time to Grand Central,” the report said.

Overall sales volume rose by $2.8 billion, an increase of 64 percent from a year ago.
While nearly all areas of Connecticut saw a rush in business, some fared better than others. In Southport, sales doubled to 52 and dollar volume skyrocketed 255 percent to $80 million from $22 million.
In Greenwich, third-quarter sales outpaced those of the second quarter, as pandemic-related interest in the suburbs gained momentum and pent-up demand was released.
From July 1 through Sept. 30, greater Greenwich saw 311 homes changed hands, up 89 percent from the 165 sold from April through June.

Although the report did not offer any predictions, it did draw one conclusion.
“One thing is crystal clear, greater Greenwich is on many people’s radar and the demand is red hot,” it said.

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"Manhattan saw the biggest increase in moves, with 110,978 people departing — a 500 percent increase compared to the same period in 2019. Brooklyn followed, losing 43,006 people during the same time period.

How many Americans actually moved during the pandemic?
USPS data reveals how many people moved, and where they went

How many people actually moved because of the pandemic? Though it’s hard to know movers’ exact motivations, new data reveals migration patterns during the height of Covid-19 lockdowns in most states.
Change of address data from the United States Postal Service reveals that 15.9 million people moved between February and July this year, according to MyMove, a platform that provides information for people who are relocating. MyMove analyzed data from both USPS and a Pew Research Center survey of 10,000 U.S. adults that was conducted in July.
Whether the newly relocated will stay in their new homes is less clear: The number of people who permanently moved was up by just 4 percent from the same period in 2019, while temporary moves rose by a more substantial 27 percent. Those temporary moves spiked in March and April, suggesting that people decided to be with family or relocated to a second home during the lockdowns.

“About a quarter (28%) told us [they chose to move] because they feared getting Covid-19 if they stayed where they were living,” said D’Vera Cohn, who authored the Pew survey. “About a fifth (20%) said they wanted to be with their family, or their college campus closed (23%). A total of 18% gave financial reasons, including job loss.”
The USPS data also showed that many people who moved left densely populated urban areas in favor of less-densely populated areas.
Manhattan saw the biggest increase in moves, with 110,978 people departing — a 500 percent increase compared to the same period in 2019. Brooklyn followed, losing 43,006 people during the same time period. Residents of Chicago, San Francisco, Los Angeles, Naples, Florida, Washington, D.C. and Houston also saw large drops in population during that period.

While it remains to be seen if the urban-to-suburban exodus will be a long-term thing, USPS data shows that many city dwellers did relocate to smaller, less urban areas. Two suburbs of Houston — Katy and Richmond — gained 4,400 and 3,000 new residents, respectively.
East Hampton, New York, also saw an influx of nearly 2,500 residents. In March, as government-mandated lockdowns set in, real estate brokers in the Hamptons said that a run on pricey rentals led to bidding wars for some properties.
The exodus from Manhattan led to a historic vacancy rate of 5 percent in September after setting a new record for each of the four preceding months.

If the vacancy rate stays that high, it could potentially lead to the repeal of the city’s rent regulations, which depends on a vacancy rate below 5 percent. That threshold, however, is set by legislators, and a new Housing & Vacancy Survey is not scheduled to be conducted until 2022.

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While I'm not sure it's time to buy the city just yet I do think the activity and price increases in a number of suburbs has all the earmarks of a bubble that isn't sustainable.

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Exclusive Spectrum News/Ipsos Poll: Most New Yorkers See a Future for Themselves In NYC
While New York City is still grappling with the coronavirus pandemic, a Spectrum News-IPSOS poll finds a majority of residents — 64% — see a future for themselves in the city. Twenty-four percent do not.

What You Need To Know
  • Despite pandemic, 64% of NYC residents see a future for themselves here
  • Poll finds 70% believe a return to normal will take six months or longer
  • Most residents are fine with COVID-19 restrictions but are split on whether they're comfortable taking public transit now

Poll respondents Peter Robinson Jr. and Kathlene Hernandez were both born and raised in New York. They're split over their prospects here.
“The city for me is an exciting place, always, has always been," Robinson said. “There’s nothing that can take me away. I’ve tried."
When asked specifically by a reporter about the COVID-19 pandemic, his answer was the same.
"No. This is my home. New York is my home," he said.
Hernandez disagreed.
“I kind of want to leave the city, now that I think of it. Because here, it’s like not a lot of houses, it’s expensive and it’s not really worth it, you know?” she said.
The poll shows most New Yorkers do not believe a recovery will come in the short term. Seventy percent say that it will take six months or longer for the city to get back to normal — with 39% saying they think it will take longer than a year. Just 19% see it taking less than six months.

“Polls just in general are important because they’re our best way to capture the voice of the public at scale," said Chris Jackson, a senior vice president at IPSOS.
Most residents say they’re fine with the many precautions in place — with just 36% saying they’re too restrictive. Fifty-eight percent say they’re not.

When it comes to mass transit, people are nearly evenly split — 48% to 47% — on whether they feel comfortable taking the subway or bus.

And 56% say they’re not comfortable dining inside a restaurant.

Poll respondent Tracey Simpson encouraged her fellow New Yorkers to return to their routines, slowly and safely.
“Even if you have fear, you have to sort of plow through it, get any kind of help that you need," Simpson said. "It’s not going to be the same. And I understand people have anxiety, but I think you have to sort of work through it and try to get back to some normalcy.”
Even with New Yorkers appearing hopeful in their city’s comeback, the pandemic is taking its toll financially. Forty-nine percent say they’re having trouble — or have had trouble — paying their bills as a result of COVID-19 while 46% haven’t.

The online poll of 850 city residents was conducted between October 7 and October 19. Its results are +/- 3.8 percentage points.

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Billionaire Paul Singer’s hedge fund dumps NYC for West Palm Beach
Hedge fund will keep outpost in NYC and open office in Greenwich

Paul Singer is taking his talents to West Palm Beach.
The billionaire is moving the headquarters of his hedge fund, Elliott Management, from Midtown Manhattan to West Palm, adding to a trend of financial firms setting up shop in South Florida, according to Bloomberg.
While Florida has no state income tax, a major motivator of the relocation appears to be that Singer’s co-chief investment officer and expected successor, Jon Pollock, relocated to his West Palm home during the pandemic. Other senior executives at Elliott Management have also moved to Florida full-time, Bloomberg reported.

Elliott Management, based at 40 West 57th Street, will still keep a presence in New York and will also open an office in Greenwich, Connecticut. It is unclear how many of the firm’s 466 employees will move to Florida. Singer himself will continue to spend most of his time in the Northeast, including at his apartment on the Upper West Side, the New York Times reported.
Company executives are hoping that opening an office in South Florida can help the firm attract more talent in the future, according to Bloomberg.

Elliott’s move will increase hedge fund assets in Florida by more than half, according to data from research firm Preqin, Bloomberg reported.
The move follows Carl Icahn’s investment firm’s relocation to Sunny Isles, Florida. Ken Griffin’s Citadel also plans to open a Miami office next year, according to Bloomberg.
Many hedge funders own second homes in Miami Beach or Palm Beach, but few have migrated to South Florida year-round and even fewer companies have moved their corporate headquarters from the Northeast.
In many cases, the firms that have moved south have only opened small offices rather than relocate the majority of their employees. This includes the hedge fund of billionaire Paul Tudor Jones, who opened an office on Banker’s Row in Palm Beach in 2016 shortly after buying an estate on the tony island for $70 million.

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Does taxing the wealthy really drive them away?

This year’s spring housing market came a couple of months later than usual to the leafy suburbs of New Jersey. But it was worth the wait.
Michele Kolsky-Assatly, a veteran agent with Coldwell Banker focused on Bergen County’s luxury market, has been busier than ever with the exodus of families from New York City.
“They never want to be locked up in a high-rise again,” Kolsky-Assatly said. “Die-hard New Yorkers, hedge fund Wall Street businessmen who never thought they would leave the city, are leaving or have left.”
If there were ever a time when a state could jack up income taxes on high earners without luxury-market brokers frothing at the mouth, this was it.

Last month, New Jersey slapped its top marginal rate of 10.75 percent — which had applied to those earning more than $5 million annually — on households making as little as $1 million. The 20 percent rate bump is retroactive to Jan. 1. Pushed through by Gov. Phil Murphy, it will generate $390 million a year for the state’s Covid-battered budget.
“The very high earners were already paying the high rate,” said E.J. McMahon, research director of the Empire Center for Public Policy, a think tank. “Now they’re hitting the mere million-dollar earners, who would be prime customers for luxury housing.”

So-called millionaires’ taxes sometimes draw howls from sellers of high-end real estate. But this one drew no great protest, in part because the pandemic has already put the market for larger New Jersey homes into overdrive. Moreover, Kolsky-Assatly said, the state’s high taxes are well known to homebuyers.
The uptick of taxes on millionaires, I can’t see it hurting us, really, because the people that are buying are wealthy people,” she said. “I don’t know that that will take precedence over lifestyle.”

Space and privacy are the needs of the moment. Before the coronavirus, young families were flocking to transit-oriented neighborhoods with walkable downtowns. Now, however, they are seeking out suburbs offering more space to work from home. Single-family homes with backyards are flying off the shelves. Mansions that had been out of favor in recent years are selling, too.
“Lots and lots of people are bidding on houses,” said Gene Amsel, president of Greater Bergen Realtors, a trade organization serving 7,500 agents in Bergen, Hudson and Passaic counties. “Are they coming from New York City? Are they coming from Hoboken? Are they coming from other areas? Yes to everything.”

From January to September, 595 New Jersey homes priced north of $2.5 million went into contract, up 67 percent year-over-year, according to Matawan, New Jersey-based appraisal firm Otteau Group.
The volume of contracts on homes priced between $1 million and $2.5 million also surged, to 4,119, up 40 percent year-over-year. The increase was 31 percent for $600,000-to-$999,999 homes and 26 percent for $400,000-to-$599,000 homes. Contract signings for homes cheaper than that actually fell, by 4 percent.

In other words, the more expensive the homes, the greater the percentage increase in sales this year has been. (See chart.)
Upscale neighborhoods in eastern Bergen — such as Alpine, Tenafly, Cresskill, Demarest, Englewood and Englewood Cliffs — as well as Saddle River are among the popular destinations, Kolsky-Assatly said.
“Tax policies at this point pale in comparison to the broader effect of the pandemic on the real estate market,” said James Parrott, director of economic and fiscal policies at the Center for New York City Affairs at the New School.

People on the move
Critics of raising taxes on the rich warn that over time it will drive high earners to lower-tax states, depressing the luxury market. They note that moving is easier for the wealthy, who often already have homes in lower-tax states.
“The class of people we’re talking about have a second home,” said McMahon. “At the very least they have a Florida home, and if they’re skiers, a Colorado home.”
But advocates of millionaires’ taxes say wealthy families typically choose a primary residence based on what they want from their lives, not on tax rates.

Take billionaire David Tepper. The hedge funder was the wealthiest person in New Jersey when he declared himself a resident of zero-income-tax Florida in 2015, prompting some New Jersey lawmakers to say the state’s top tax rate, which had risen to 8.97 percent from 6.37 percent in 1996, was scaring off the rich. (Tepper’s mother and sister were living in Florida.)
But Tepper, who owns the Carolina Panthers, recently moved back to the Garden State. Upon his return, he reportedly called New Jersey Senate President Steve Sweeney and said the state could expect about $120 million in income taxes from him, according to media reports. Tepper could not be reached for comment.

The millionaire’s burden
New Jersey is hardly the first state to turn to millionaires during a budget emergency. New York enacted a new tax in 2009 to help fill a deficit caused by the financial crisis. The rate was set at 8.97 percent on all incomes above $500,000.

The measure was slated to phase out in three years to make it more politically palatable for legislators, notably the Republicans who controlled New York’s Senate, and perhaps so high earners would be less likely to relocate. But rather than let it expire, legislators extended it in 2012, lowering the rate slightly to 8.82 percent and sparing taxpayers who earned less than $1 million. It was later extended twice more, most recently through 2024, wiping out any notion that it is “temporary.”

But evidence that it would backfire has not materialized. Although Rochester billionaire Tom Golisano in 2009 changed his residency to his Florida home, declaring it would save him $13,000 a day, few magnates followed the Paychex founder’s lead, and revenue from high earners kept growing.
The total tax liability of those earning $1 million or more annually rose from $15.9 billion in 2012 to $19.3 billion in 2018, the most recent year for which data was available, according to Freeman Kloppott, a spokesperson for the state Division of Budget.

“Some people do move, but the net benefit to the taxing jurisdiction is that they see a pretty significant increase in revenue,” Parrott said of new taxes on high earners.
The millionaires’ tax itself nets New York state north of $4 billion every year, not including what New York City reaps from its own income tax of nearly 4 percent. The combined city and state tax rate on high earners, approximately 12.6 percent, still exceeds New Jersey’s new rate by nearly 2 percentage points.
New York last year also raised its mansion tax, which had been 1 percent for homes sold for more than $1 million. The change, applied only to New York City, adopted a sliding scale with the top rate of 3.9 percent for a home sale of more than $25 million.

The city’s luxury market boomed during the first five or six years of the millionaires’ tax, then ebbed in the second half of the 2010s. Jonathan Miller, CEO of appraisal firm Miller Samuel and the author of Douglas Elliman’s monthly market reports, said the new mansion tax in particular caused a “significant drop-off in higher-end sales” in the city.
“The reason for that is because the cost of living in that location became higher,” Miller said.
Miller cautioned that while he understands New Jersey’s immediate fiscal needs, the tax may end up negatively affecting the state’s long-term financial health.

“You’re going to drive away the higher-end tax base, which could have the impact of reducing demand for higher-end real estate, and taxes and other revenue that they generate for the state,” he said.
But studies have found New Jersey’s and California’s taxes on the rich have a small effect on their location decisions, said Parrott, noting that the analyses predate the federal tax reform that took effect in 2018.

His own review of the New York data found that after its millionaires’ tax was enacted, the number of high-income earners in the state rose in line with the increase around the country.
“It shows there are certainly some people who move in the wake of those changes,” Parrott said of the body of research. “We cannot pinpoint exactly how many.”
Unanswered questions
Potential buyers who pay attention to tax policy have more to worry about than New Jersey’s expanded millionaires’ tax, the Empire Center’s McMahon noted. If Democrats capture the White House and Senate, they are sure to raise taxes on the wealthy, which is part of Joe Biden’s platform, he said.

“Crucial aspects of tax policy as it affects those very people are completely up in the air now,” said McMahon.
Even if people react to New Jersey’s latest tax hike, the market will eventually adjust, said Greater Bergen Realtors’ Amsel. He recalled the impact of the federal tax overhaul’s capping of the state and local tax deduction on federal tax returns at $10,000.
When the SALT cap took effect in 2018, New Jersey’s luxury market slowed down for a while. It picked back up eventually, Amsel said, because families realized New Jersey’s public schools are still worth the fatter tax bills.

If and when the nation brings the coronavirus under control, the state’s millionaires’ tax will become part of the calculus for wealthy buyers deciding whether to move back to New York City, according to Jeffrey Otteau, president of the Otteau Group.
“At that point, the housing market will need to stand on its own two legs,” Otteau said. “The increase in purchasing demand in the suburbs is going to normalize. It’s going to slow down a lot. And the more urban real estate markets are going to recover.”