Talking Comps Analysis / The SE Condo Index
A: I find myself getting into more and more talks about comps analysis lately and just wanted to put some thoughts into an article. My main point will continue to be: perform a comparable market analysis using the least amount of adjustable variables as possible! The more variables that you introduce that require adjustments, the more you will degrade the ultimate analysis. The simple solution to this is to stay in building, but the ideal solution is to stay within the same line of the target apartment. However, in the real world, data is not always available and exceptions must be made. Lets discuss. (originally published October 28th, 2011)
One fallacy that just rubs me the wrong way is when brokers start to justify higher property expectations using sold comps from a different building when there are perfectly good comps to use in the same building. The reasoning for this is usually always the same, "the in-building comps are too old, I never use a comp that is older than 3-5 months old". To that I say Hogwash! Let me explain.
#1 - First off, when trying to find out where the market is today relative to a closed deal do NOT go by the sale date of the comparable sale! Rather you should focus on when the sold comparable was SIGNED INTO CONTRACT to see how the market has changed since! Sure the deal may have closed 90 days ago, but for all you know the deal was signed into contract 7 months ago and had a delayed closing!
Here is an example:
-- Unit is signed into contract April 2011
-- Unit closes August 2011 after a delayed co-op board review and closing
Market conditions at the time of contract execution is what matters most; not the market conditions when the deal ultimately closes.
#2 - By leaving the building and using an outside building's sold comparable for an analysis, you are introducing the following variables that are impossible to quantify:
a) building service level
b) building financials
c) banks willingness to lend to building based on bldg's unique characteristics
d) building amenities
e) building policies & restrictions
f) building type (yes, I had brokers compare an ACTV co-op to a SOLD condo to argue for a higher bid from my client)
g) school zone
etc..How any one buyer values changes in Building features noted above is highly subjective! So, do yourself a favor and focus on sales in the same building as the target unit where these variables are constant!
#3 - By leaving the building and using a different unit altogether, you are introducing the following variables:
a) different layout
b) different size
c) different carrying costs
d) different exposure / views
e) different levels of natural sunlight
etc..
Think of the "Im using a recent sale in another building" argument now? Rather than keep all those variables constant by staying in-building and adjusting for a) floor, b) time, and c) renovations, you would have to adjust for 11-12 additional variables that quite frankly nobody has any means to quantify anyway? In Manhattan, every building is its own little unique marketplace.
Do not degrade a comps analysis and make more work for yourself simply because a highly relevant sale is 'deemed' too old to look at.
In today's world, we have different companies spending vast amounts of money to sanitize data and build all sorts of applications so that brokers & consumers have incredibly useful tools to help service their clients. We at UrbanDigs like to consider ourselves one of these technology companies, Streeteasy is the father and started it all, RentJuice is making ground in the landlord management business, Buyfolio built an amazing broker streamlining tool, and NabeWise is full of interesting neighborhood information. But the tool I am referring to for this discussion is Streeteasy's Repeat Sales Condo Index for Manhattan.
By only using repeat unit sales and a bunch of 'magic dust', as SE calls it, we have a tool that allows us to track Manhattan price action fairly accurately - by far, its the best tool out there for doing time adjustments on any comparable market analysis. To me, the index fits very nicely into how this market has behaved in the years up to peak, and in the years after peak. Sure there are outliers and individual sales that buck the trend, but in general, its a trustworthy tool to get a good idea of how today's market compares to a point in time in the recent past.
Here is how I do time adjustments when putting together a Comps Report for a client:
--TARGET UNIT 17A ASKING $1,500,000
--SAME LINE COMP UNIT 20A (3 floors higher and in similar condition) SOLD FOR $1,375,000 & DEAL SIGNED ON OCT-2009
*Many brokers would ignore this in building same-line, same layout, same views, same renovated comparable sale simply because its 2 years old - I would argue against that because its very likely the closest match to the target unit!
Then I go to SE's Condo Index and compare today's # with where the index was when the comparable unit was signed into contract on OCT-2009 (story from August 2011 so #s are from that time):

Then its just some simple math as I point out on the above image:
STEP 1: Subtract 1,855 - 1,760 = 95
STEP 2: Divide 95 / 1,760 = 0.0539
STEP 3: Convert 0.0539 into percentage 5.4%
This is not trigonometry! Its simple math that any broker can do. So according to the SE Repeat Condo Index, the market today is roughly 5.4% higher than it was back in late 2009 - and that kind of jives with most brokers' experience in the field over the last two years or so as we saw a progressive reflation from early 2009 lows.
Simply apply the 5.4% to the comparable sales price you are analyzing: $1,375,000 * 0.054 and you come with a positive time adjustment of $74,250 - added together equals $1,449,250. That leaves you with 1 last adjustment for being two floors higher. Two floors is likely not a drastic difference in light/view so lets say $15,000 per floor, or a floor adjustment of $30,000 and you got your fair market price opinion done!
$1,449,250 - $30,000 (floor adjustment) = $1,419,250
I would expect bids to come in around the $1.42m range for this target apartment that is on the market asking $1,500,000 and I didnt have to worry about adjusting for a different building, a different layout, a different apartment size, different views/sunlight, different carrying costs, different bldg amenities, etc! Its a clean analysis using the most recent bid for the closest match to the target property that we have data for; without exposing the analysis to variables that otherwise would degrade the analysis!
CONCLUSIONS: Just because a past sold comparable is more than 6 months old doesn't make it useless! In fact, its significantly more useful than switching apartment lines or worse, switching buildings to justify a deal price. If you have to use a different line in the same building, fine, but then the job is to find relevant apartment types to compare; i.e., 2BR/2BTH vs other 2BR/2BTH sales in the bldg in different lines. We have tools at our disposal today to help us do these reports and to adjust for time, that we did not have years ago; so I urge you to USE THEM!! Like anything new, it will take some time to get comfortable with a new method over what you are used to but in the end I strongly believe the service you provide will benefit. Only go outside the building when there is no data to analyze, as these types of analysis (townhouses, walkups, etc) are the most challenging ones to produce.
Cheers!



Posted by broker
Fri Oct 28th, 2011 12:11 PM
What if there is a comparable two bedroom that is a different layout and size, but in the same line? I am working on a analysis for a client where I have recent same line sales data, but the sold apartment is slightly bigger and has an extra dining room? Any advice? Thanks for all these articles
Posted by Thomas
Thu Nov 3rd, 2011 11:25 AM
How many comps are a reasonable number to show to a client. In this case it sounds like you are doing one comp.
Posted by ygreenblatt
Sat Nov 5th, 2011 08:22 AM
Great advice Noah
Posted by urbandigs
Sun Nov 6th, 2011 11:05 PM
sorry for the quiet week..had power issues with the snowstorm in CT at our new vacation house.
Thomas - depends on the quality of the comps. 3 is ideal, but 2 will do just fine if its two same line, same layout comps. If you only have 1, and its same line or same unit, Id do two comps reports, one with same line on its own and another report with a few outside but same bldg comps..the point is not to poison the same line comp with units that have different exposures, layouts and size.
Posted by Conchita Ahlf
Mon Nov 7th, 2011 02:52 AM
The sold apartment is slightly bigger and has an extra dining room.
Posted by Karl
Tue Nov 8th, 2011 07:11 AM
Where do you tally variables such as $15k per floor? A general rule of thumb? I ask because i was looking at a 2nd floor coop ( in a small building ) and comparing to a 6th floor ( top floor ) sale 6 months ago in west chelsea ( in same building, same layout etc ).
Posted by urbandigs
Tue Nov 8th, 2011 09:56 AM
Karl - With 7+ years in this business and being nuts about analyzing data and creating comps reports for clients on past sales, I found that the general rule of thumb for the floor multiplier is between $10k-$20k per floor. $15k is safe being right in the middle. The art part of the tweaking the multiplier is knowing how big gaps may affect the multiplier (think 20+ stories difference say between 10th fl and 30th fl) and when there are drastic differences in view. That part is a bit harder.
Here is an article I did a while ago on that topic:
http://urbandigs.com/2010/12/floor_multiplier_valuing_low_f.html
Posted by karl
Tue Nov 8th, 2011 12:25 PM
Many thanks Noah. I'll remember next time to Search 1st ; Ask Q's L8R. Great site by the way. Kudo's.
Posted by hschein
Fri Jan 27th, 2012 05:09 PM
Great tool for sure. My question is, how different is the percentages for coops? do you find the variations moving more or less the same?
Posted by urbandigs
Fri Jan 27th, 2012 05:13 PM
Howard - I would say the same..im sure median trends are notch or two lower compared to coops, but we are talking about price action here and market trends..for that purpose, I like the SE same unit resale condo index. Too many brokers comparing non doorman bldgs vs doorman bldgs or outside comps to justify getting a buyer to raise his bid. Cmon now. This is why SE realized the importance of SAME UNIT RESALES INDEX...how the same unit trades over time and what trends can be extrapolated. Kudos to SE for this tool, I find it very very helpful even if some brokers refuse to look at it for varying reasons.
Posted by Sizzy
Mon Feb 6th, 2012 10:05 AM
Excellent post!! My god, I wish I knew about your website 6 months earlier when I brought. I was green and clueless, and my broker did not do one single comp analysis with me. He just seem to have picked a number out of his hat.
Anyways, I want to ask, should we been using the Manhattan condo as a whole? Or use the neighborhood specific one (ie. Downtown, Midtown, UWS and UES)? Because some of them do deviate quite a bit from the overall Manhattan trend.
And what are your thoughts of floor adjustment of 1% of price, if other views/lights are similar? I read on Matrix blog from Jonathan Miller. I find the 1% to be more realistic when I was looking at 1 bedroom co-ops in UWS and UES. Is the $10,000 - $15,000 mostly for condos, newer developments or higher end markets?
Many thanks!
Posted by urbandigs
Tue Feb 7th, 2012 10:22 AM
Sizzy - sorry to hear, but something I hear all too often! Its my opinion that the most valuable part of the brokers job is a) target property comps analysis, b) providing a broker opinion on fair market value, c) bidding strategy, and d) negotiating strategy...the service aspect of this job is important too, but its this part of the buying process that I find most buyer clients seek outside expertise.
As to your question: Try both. Check the nhood trend and the market trend. I use the market trend only because it has more data behind it and this is a same unit repeat condo index so data will be more limited. More quality data, the higher quality the overall trend that is being pushed forward. So I tend to stick to broader market moves. You can have outliers that skew nhood level, but again, Id check both.
Actually 20-25K per floor was normal for new devs. I find 10-15k to be more in line with reality in the field but a) depends on changes in view from floor to floor and b) have to factor in the gap between target floor and comp unit floor - the higher the gap the lower the per floor multiplier.
i.e., 32A sold in 2011, and now your evaluating 5A. At 15K per floor, your talking about a $405,000 floor adjustment. That is likely not very realistic.
How does 1% work? So 5 floors = 5% floor adjustment? Havent checked JM's specific post on that, care to send over url? Thx!!