Knowing When A Deal May Be Running Away From You
A: I go through this all the time with clients, so I figure to make a nice short discussion on what I look for after a verbal agreement on price has been reached between buyer & seller. How does a buyer know when things are getting a bit fishy? Is their deal at risk? What is normal and what is not normal? Let me try to discuss this in a very simplistic way and tell you the few warning signs I keep on my radar as red flags that the deal may be running away from us.
This market doesn't operate in a vacuum and you must understand that every situation is unique. I've seen deals take 2-3 weeks up to months to get done; with plenty of stressed out buyers or sellers along the way. With that said, here are a few general guidelines for you with time tags attached to certain aspects of this part of the transaction process. One thing I learned in this business is that TIME IS A DEAL KILLER! So I keep my clients educated before we get started on what to expect and how to be best prepared for what lies ahead. There are a few jobs that need to get done once a verbal agreement is reached and before a contract is signed by the buyer (the diligence process) - so lets review them here along with expected time(s) for each:
BUYER & SELLER BROKER (about an hour or two max)
Fill in deal sheet with all information necessary for the contract to be drawn up, terms of the deal, commissions to be paid, managing agent information, closing on or about date, etc..
SELLER BROKER (1-3 days max, depending on if seller has these doc's ready)
Get the:
a) Offering Plan
b) 2-Yrs Building Financials (less for new devs, none for new construction)
...over to the buyer's attorney!
SELLER ATTORNEY (1-3 business days max)
Draw up a contract of sale and get it over to the buyer attorney for comments! The deal sheet is used to help draw up a contract of sale with all terms for the deal spelled out clearly. Generally, buyer and seller attorney will go back and forth editing comments until both parties are satisfied.
BUYER ATTORNEY (3-5 business days max for diligence once all docs received)
In addition to reviewing the contract of sale, offering plan and building financials, the buyer attorney should visit the managing agent and review the board minutes.
Okay, that is what needs to be done after a verbal agreement in price/terms is reached. So, lets take a step back and talk about timing. All in all, this whole process usually takes a total of between 1-2 weeks. Document procurement, logistics and servicing existing clients all play a role in this total lag time its very rare for everyone to just stop what they are doing and focus exclusively on any one deal.
Here is the important part to know:
The beginning steps by the brokers and the seller attorney tell you plenty of information on how this process will play out!What I mean is, it should take the buyer & seller broker all of 30 minutes to gather all the information needed to draw up a deal sheet. It takes 2 minutes to email this deal sheet to all parties involved in the next steps of the transaction process. Therefore...
WARNING SIGN #1: It is taking multiple days to get a deal sheet done and sent to the attorneys.
Assuming this is not the issue and the deal sheets have been sent to both attorneys, the next step is procurement of all documents required for diligence. The important thing to note here is that the asset is the seller's to sell and the seller has two main people working for them at this time: The listing broker + The attorney. Therefore...
WARNING SIGN #2: The listing broker is taking more than 3 business days to get the offering plan + building financials over to the buyer attorney
WARNING SIGN #3: While the offering plan + financials have been received by the buyer attorney, the seller attorney has yet to send over a first draft of the contract of sale. This is a big warning sign if a contract was not received after say 3-4 business days of the deal sheets being sent out. Assuming the seller attorney is around the office and available to work, it should not take this long to get a contract sent over. One reason why one may not be sent over is that the seller or the seller broker has advised the seller attorney NOT to proceed with the current deal unless told otherwise.
There are a number of reasons why a deal may be held up at this stage of the process. These include:
1) seller cold feet over the sales process, moving, or terms of the transaction - usually the price
2) another competing offer in negotiations
3) a change of plans that affects the selling decision (job promotion, a sour relationship trying to work things out, loss of a place the seller had in mind to move to, etc..)
Now, if you are lucky enough to get past all these warning signs then you are on the road to getting the deal done. There are only two things left to worry about - SATISFACTORY COMPLETION OF DILIGENCE + GETTING THE CONTRACT COUNTERSIGNED! Therefore...
WARNING SIGN #4: Buyer signs contract, sends to seller attorney with 10% deposit, but it has been 3-4+ business days since receipt with no sell side execution. Careful here because chances are logistics can play a role in this delay. If you reached this stage, things usually work out just fine as you are past the first 3 major warning signs that a deal may be running away from you. Sometimes the seller, or sellers, are in different parts of country or sometimes the attorney chooses not to receive a fax signature and wants the originals. It should take 1-3 business days max to get a contract countersigned by the seller, so I am using 3-4+ days as a warning sign here. If it takes that long, hopefully the seller attorney is in communication with buyer attorney as to the reasons for the delay.
In the end, COMMUNICATION BETWEEN ATTORNEYS is absolutely crucial during this process. I always advise my buyer and seller clients to have their attorneys keep the other attorney 'in the loop' so to speak if timing starts to stray a bit from what we here in Manhattan consider normal. In a perfect world it should take 1 week to get a deal fully OKd by the attorney and fully executed once all docs are received. But since its not a perfect world, we must expand this to 1-2 weeks as what is considered normal from start to finish. Use the above breakdown of this process as a general guide and remember how important communication is during this phase of the process!!



Posted by tom_u
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 11:22 AM
Helpful. Having lost a deal about four months ago, we never got the contract sent to our attorney and knew something was up. Turns out they were secretly doing a side deal at a higher price.
How common is it for a bid used as leverage to get another interestd party higher? Seems like that is how we lost our apartment
Posted by Noah
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 11:37 AM
Tom - sorry about your lost deal, happens to many of us out in this industry!
To answer your question, I think its quite common. I hate to say it, but the seller wants to get the highest price for their place and if that means a simple email or call to a few very interested buyers that didnt pull the trigger yet, to let them know a solid bid is in and now is the time to make a play if they want it, Im sure it will happen!
However, disclosing an exact bid amount should not occur. This is one reason I hate putting bids in on a Friday, especially when an OH is planned on Sunday, as it helps the listing broker create a sense of urgency before the next business day when a deal can really get started. Id rather have the deal in process going into a weekend, as it puts more pressure on competing buyers that may be interested. There is something about, 'there is an offer accepted and contract out, so bid aggressively fast if you want it', that tends to scare buyers away thinking its babble or some scare tactic to get them to act on emotion in a pressured environment.
Posted by Noah
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 01:38 PM
obviously holidays will likely play some role too in delaying this process a bit, but i left that out of the discussion thinking we all assumed an effect from those
Posted by john
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 02:23 PM
Hi,
I am following your blog and I am curious if you can recommend me an attorney who is diligent and efficient. My mast experience is not too good so I am saving it for myself.
thank you
Posted by anonymous
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 05:01 PM
Hi Noah. I waited 2 weeks for the contract on a house last August. The seller's attorney was away. He sent several emails assuring us that everything was ok, and then said the the seller decided to take the house off the market. Now I am pursuing a short sale. Could you tell me what warning signs can I expect from this situation? Thanks!
Posted by Mimi
Tue Nov 24th, 2009 05:01 PM
Hi Noah. I waited 2 weeks for the contract on a house last August. The seller's attorney was away. He sent several emails assuring us that everything was ok, and then said the the seller decided to take the house off the market. Now I am pursuing a short sale. Could you tell me what warning signs can I expect from this situation? Thanks!
Posted by KH
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 09:06 AM
Great article, Noah.
I recently had a listing broker who insisted on making the buyer's attorney, who is Brooklyn based, travel to Manhattan to view the offering plan at the management office because the seller lost theirs and it cost $300. Is this normal? I was hopping mad about it as the buyer's broker because I wasn't told until days went by. This added several days to the deal (which slipped away for other reasons).
Posted by Noah
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 09:12 AM
KH - No I dont think that is normal. I have been faced with that situation plenty of times. Either the seller buys a new one, to make up for the one they lost, OR the broker has to buy it to get the deal going. A $300 investment at that point to seal a deal and earn a commission is something I have done quite a few times.
The reality is that offering plan gets passed on to the new buyer at closing! And they keep it for when they need to resell. Owners that lose it just like to pass on the cost to the broker, because sometimes they feel the commissions being paid are on the 'too high' side anyway.
Posted by Noah
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 09:50 AM
mimi - hmm, not sure. I would think the same ones I noted above. If its not a foreclosure sale, just a short sale, the question is how motivated the seller is to get out of the hole and clear as much of the debt owed to the bank and stop using their own money to pay for an asset that is underwater
good luck
Posted by john
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 10:09 AM
Hi Noah,
I am really curious if you can recommend a good real estate attorney and a good mortgage broker,please.
Thank you
Posted by Noah
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 10:14 AM
Mortgage broker - call Dmitry at wells fargo
Dmitriy.Shpuntov@wellsfargo.com
Attorney - Ill get a good reference for you in a day or two
Posted by Noah
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 10:38 AM
John
Atty
Robert Frankel
rob@cohenandfrankel.com
Posted by GinaB
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 02:55 PM
I happen to like my attorney alot
Seth Weitz
212.980.9595
sweitz@sweitzlaw.com
Posted by john
Wed Nov 25th, 2009 02:58 PM
Thank you for the recommendations!
Posted by Mbt
Wed Jun 2nd, 2010 11:32 PM
I think another reason fees are not being paid and free months not offered is that prices have come down. Apartments are moving but part of the reason is that prices came down to a point at which they will move.
Posted by urbanmg
Wed Mar 30th, 2011 05:33 PM
Important to mention that buyers have their own peculiarities ... including bringing up issues after the basic points are agreed on, delaying their attorney's performance (reading the minutes, reviewing the contract), -- is this acceptance their main focus or is it a back-up apt to the one they really want ? or do they simply now have cold feet?
Both sides need to perform. any of above = a deal heading south.