Bidding Strategy 101: Reverse Psychology
A: Before you enter the next property for a showing remind yourself to act unimpressed, point out the bad features of the property (such as the lack of sunlight, renovation work needed, or noise level), and not say any sentences that include the words "I Love..." or "...that is gorgeous". The broker that is handling the open house or the specific appointment usually pays very close attention to your remarks (at least I do), and then provides their client with a report as to the success of the showings. Originally Published Nov 15th, 2006

Interesting isn't it. If a seller is told by the hired broker that most of the people that come in to view are not too impressed or complaining about the dungeon-like feel, then what do you think will happen when a lower than expected bid finally comes in?
I do this automatically when I accompany my buyer clients on showings. While I don't usually advise them beforehand to 'act unimpressed' in front of the seller broker, I go out of my way to point out that "...the kitchen needs a lot of work", or "...there really isn't as much light as the listing describes", or "...I wish there were better views".
The reason I do this is because I don't have any contact with the seller; thats the seller broker's job. Obviously the apartment is available because I'm there viewing it with a client, so I point out some of the things that I believe are causing this property not to sell with the hope that the seller broker relays that message to his/her client.
Very rarely is a property perfect and priced right at the same time. Chances are the property you are about to bid in, hasn't had any bids yet and the seller is just ancy to get 'a taste' of what it might sell for on the open market.
Negotiating is an art, not a science and many factors play into getting a seller to come down below their hopefuly price point. By pointing out the negative features of the property you are in essence reminding the seller that their property really isn't as beautiful as they think it is.
Trust me, every seller thinks their apartment is worth top dollar until its on the market for 3-4 months. Your job is to bring the seller down to earth. But how do you do this? Here are a few steps to guide you:
STEP 1: Show Off Your Poker Face At Showings
Don't get excited, don't point out everything you love about the apartment, and for gods sake don't ask the seller broker right then and there if their client would accept a certain bid.
I remember one of my exclusives last year where the buyer (who had a buyer broker by the way) showed off their true feelings about the apartment I was selling on both showings. I relayed this info to my client. When they finally came in with a low bid, I told my client not to respond as I knew they would come up again within a day or two. After a few conversations with the buyer's broker and hearing the aboslute top that the buyer would pay, I advised my client to respond with a one time counter $10K over this #. The end result, I got my client that price! And it was all because I knew how much the buyer loved the property and that a measley $10K wouldn't break the deal.
Am I a scoundrel? No, I dont think so. After all, my fiduciary responsibility is to my client (the seller) to get the HIGHEST and BEST price possible for their apartment. Put yourself in their shoes. Would you be mad if your hired broker was astute enough as to point out to you that he can get a bit more from the buyer? I doubt it. I'm just doing my job the best I can.
My advice to that specific buyer: You should have had a better poker face and not reveal how much you loved the property to begin with so I would have nothing to report to my client during the negotiating process.
STEP 2: Do Your Research To Determine Market Price
Do you know what the last comparable unit sold for per square foot in that building? What are the nearby comps selling for per square foot? How is this unit priced compared to other active units in the building per square foot?
Be sure to give a premium per higher floor ($5,000 - $10,000 per floor is a generally accepted formula), for renovation work, and for natural sunlight and views (find out recently sold's exposures for this info) that the apartment has compared to last solds or other actives.
You must know this information. This is why you should be using a buyer broker whose real service will come to you during the bidding process. Ask your broker for all this information before you place the first bid. Bidding on a property without knowing this information is like driving a car with your feet; Yea it's possible but that doesn't mean it's to be done!
STEP 3: Devise A Bidding Strategy
The hard part yet the most fun part for me because of the challenge. While every situation is unique here is a quick step-by-step guide that I usually follow:
First: After all the research that you did you must determine the price that your are both HOPING to get the apartment for and WILLING to pay for the apartment.
Second: Start out 3-5% below the price you are HOPING to get the apartment for and present your bid in a professional manner. Write out a offer letter which includes your full name, your attorney info, your mortgage broker info, how much you plan on financing, when you would like to close, your job position, company name, salary, total assets, and finally the bid you are starting with. You can also add the phrase "...Please accept this bid in good faith and contact me as soon as possible with any response". Provide a copy of your pre-approval letter from your mortgage lender and a financial analysis form that clearly lists all your assets and liabilities.
Again, your broker should do all of this for you and prepare everything for submission. I usually follow up with a phone call to the broker that a bid was submitted and faxed and point out some of the negative features of the property that resulted in the bid submitted.
STEP 4: Negotiate
After I submit the initial bid and get the seller's first response, I usually know right away what the apartment will sell for. For example:
SELLER ASKING $600,000 ---> BUYER SUBMITS $525,000 BID ---> SELLER RESPONDS $575,000
I pretty much know that the buyer will have to go to around $550,000 to get a deal done for this particular property. I also know that the seller and the seller's broker assume the same thing based on the first counter offer. So, as a buyer broker, my focus shifts to getting $540,000 or lower for my client. Sometimes I can do it, sometimes I can't. But here is how I try.
My client is now at $525,000 and the seller's response was $575,000. My buyer told me they are hoping to get it for $540,000 but willing to pay $550,000 for the property. My next move would be to submit a one-time bid of $540,000 (that is, I mention this is the highest that my client is willing to go) and mention to the seller's broker that if we don't get it for $540,000 that "my client will move on another property that we are interested in". I also mention to the seller broker that we will need to get a response within the next 2 days.
What I am essentially doing is putting the deal in the seller's hands. Are they willing to lose a deal over $10,000? Probably not. By mentioning that there is competition and that my buyer laid out a deadline for a response I put 2 pressures on the seller. I'm hoping they will fold their cards and accept the deal.
STEP 5: It Backfires. Now What?
Ok, so the trick didnt work and the seller didn't budge. The response we got was a 'no response'. Don't panic, the deal is not dead yet. At this point you have to wait 2-3 days at least to let the feelings of a 'lost deal' seap in to the seller.
After some time has passed I would call the seller's broker and ask why their client had no response? I also start my series of questioning, "What is your client looking to get for this property?" "Maybe I can get my client a bit higher, but I need to know whether or not it is worth the effort first.", etc..
My goal is to find out what I need to do to get a deal done. For all I know, the seller wouldn't go lower than $560,000, in which case it didnt matter anyway because my buyer was only willing to go to $550,000. But most of the time the initial assumption was correct and the seller's broker will say to me, "...get your client to $550,000 and my seller would accept; but nothing lower".
That's when my buyer has a decision to make. Sure we didnt get that extra little discount, but it wasn't because we didn't try for it! In the end, both parties got what they wanted for a price that was acceptable.
Hopefully you will NEVER REACH STEP 5 and the deal will be wrapped up at STEP 4! Good Luck and as always, your feedback on enhancing/arguing/expanding this strategy are appreciated.



Posted by Lenny G
Wed Nov 15th, 2006 12:54 PM
"I remember one of my exclusives last year where the buyer (who had a buyer broker by the way) showed off their true feelings about the apartment I was selling on both showings. I relayed this info to my client. When they finally came in with a low bid..."
Great point. I am always surprised at how some buyers AND their agents can gush over a property in the presence of the sellers and/or their agents. I've been on the other end of this as well even after coaching clients on the "poker face". Some just cannot help themselves!
Posted by Dave
Wed Nov 15th, 2006 06:57 PM
Good advice for ANY negotiation situation here, thanks Noah.
Just out of curiousity - how much do you charge to act as a buyers broker, and is this a common means for buyers to purchase property in the US? Typically buyers themselves will do all the negotiation here in the UK. Is it a flat fee or a commision based on the price of the property that is sold?
Posted by noah
Wed Nov 15th, 2006 07:14 PM
Dave - Actually buyers do NOT pay anything for use of a buyer broker's services; which is why I think every buyer should use one especially if it is their first time purchasing a property.
The seller pays the brokers commission and if a buyer is represented by a broker, than that just means the seller's hired broker splits the commission with the buyer broker. If there is no buyer broker, the seller broker gets the entire commission.
Posted by Stephanie
Thu Nov 16th, 2006 10:01 AM
Noah:
Once again, a great post. It's always amazing to me how little common sense people have when negotiating. I'm sure your fellow brokers will give you a bit of a razzing when they read it!
Posted by Dave
Thu Nov 16th, 2006 06:58 PM
Buyers don't have to pay ANYthing for using a buyer broker?! That's incredible!
Buyer brokers must be hated by seller brokers though, having to split the commission if any sale goes through, but then i guess it goes both ways - seller brokers can switch up and step into help out buyers too.
I'm amazed though that the buyer themselves doesn;t have to pay anything for having a knowledgeable, shrewd negotiator on their side, it's almost too good to be true! Shame it's not like that here too...
Posted by noah
Thu Nov 16th, 2006 10:10 PM
Dave - how does it work there? Do buyers pay a fee for use of a broker's services/time? Or is it a percentage of the deal?
What is the standard commission for sellers over there in the UK? Im curious to hear the differences. Perhaps the sell side commission is lower than here but the buy side is an added cost making it a wash.
Posted by Ben Osbun
Fri Nov 17th, 2006 02:36 PM
A great post Noah. I've printed it out for my clients - especially the poker face part. It makes my job very difficult if you openly fall in love with the place and then try to go in 15K lower even in the so called buyers' market.
Posted by DowntownGal
Fri Nov 17th, 2006 05:32 PM
To Dave from the UK -
My assessment as a buyer is this -
The seller's agents often appreciate the buyer's agents because they screen buyers and make sure they are qualified. They also bring in more serious buyers, or buyers who would otherwise not know about the unit for sale.
The qualification is especially important when dealing with coops, which represent the majority of residential buildings in Manhattan. Coops require buyers to have a certain financial profile (i.e. income, liquid assets)- it's different for each building. And it take a lot of work to pull the info together, and it's a long process to submit the package, have the board review it, interview the candidate - so if the buyer already has solid financials, they're ahead of the game.
I'm sure seller's agents play tricks but in this market especially, neither agent wants to waste time with an unqualified buyer.
Noah, does this sound right? I'm not an agent, just my observation.
Posted by Noah
Sat Nov 18th, 2006 07:25 PM
Downtown Gal -
I agree 100 % with:
"They also bring in more serious buyers, or buyers who would otherwise not know about the unit for sale."
Most agents actually prefer direct clients because of the bigger commission that is made. While thats nice, I always think its better business to promote the property to its full extent regardless of direct or buyer broker client shows up. But we're talking reality here and its would be narrow minded to think that some agents have learned a few things over the years and go out of their way to discourage buyers w/ brokers as to try to get a direct deal first.
I also agree with this:
neither agent wants to waste time with an unqualified buyer.
I do my best to pre-qualify my buyers before I start looking for them unless they tell me beforehand that they want to put down 50% or have just come into alot of liquid assets.
But many brokers dont do this. Bringing a buyer to a property they could never buy anyway is certainly a waste of everyones time. These buyers should go to OH's on Sundays on their own to learn product knowledge rather than schedule a weekday appointment.
Thanks for the comment!
Posted by Dave
Mon Nov 20th, 2006 07:32 AM
Hi Noah, sorry for the delayed reply, im back enjoying NYC this week with the in-laws!
It was interesting - on the plane over, i was reading a related article to this in the Financial Times - basically mentioning about how many people were now employing professional property "finders" - agents who would find property not yet listed on the books of estate agents, and would expidite the buying process. This is only take place at the top top top end of the London market though (of which sales equate to 0.1%, although the average property price is £3 million).
In the "normal" market place, a seller usually (9 times out of 10) employs an agent to sell their property. This agent generally takes a fixed 1.5-3% of sale as commission (although in a hot market like now, sellers have more sway to negotiate on this. Also believe it or not, supermarkets are now piloting estate agency services based on commission free sales - so agents are under an all time high pressure to reduce selling commissions). There maybe a lower percentage quoted and then a flat fee for advertising the property included too, and some buyers might negotiate paying more if the buyer can sell the property more quickly, or use a sliding scale for commission based on what price is secured.
Buyers then place offers into the sellers agent and the agent reports the offers back to the buyer.
Most normal people i.e. those not in the super rich category are buying properties themselves, which is why i find the whole process of the "free buyer broker" fascinating. Buyers at the high high end are also using 3rd parties because they are getting gazumped, where other would-be buyers are apparently putting in offers of several hundred thousand pounds above what the buyer offered and the seller then sides with the higher offer, resulting in frustration. (this is also happening in the lower end of the market, as property in London rises at a seemingly unabbatable level and demand is still outstripping supply)
I wish i could find the article i was reading in the FT so i could repost but i just spent 10 mins trying to find it and can't. That's a broad summary anyways.
Have a good Thanksgiving all, i'm going to try and sleep off the jet lag!
Posted by samir
Tue Nov 21st, 2006 01:17 PM
Interesting points - a couple questions as to how this changes if there is another bidder involved?
1) Is a selling broker reqruired to disclose what the outstanding highest bid is? It would seem that this would make sense as it would avoid the buyer having to sit there and contiously guessing a number of what they are willing to pay in order to see what hurdle they would have to exceed with their bid?
2) The bidding process - if the seller is in negotiations with a potential buyer (lets use your example above), and another buyer comes and offers 575K, could the seller cease negotiations with the buyer?
Posted by anna
Fri Feb 16th, 2007 08:18 PM
Thanks for a great site. I'm a first-time low-end buyer in NYC, and I'm confused about the broker fees. 6% is often what I hear, and see written in books about buying in the city. And, I thought the buyer (if they hire a buyer's broker), would have to pay 3 percent? Does the seller pay all in NY? Some brokers advertise by saying they "don't co-broke." So, in that case, only direct buyers (or those paying their own 6%) need apply---right?
Posted by Philadelphia Rube
Sun Mar 18th, 2007 01:55 PM
Are their any licensed real estate broker ethical regulations in New York State that disallow this kind of misleading fabrication
during price negiotation - stating to the seller's agent that the buyer is about to make a bid on another property that does not exist?
Posted by Charleston real estate blog
Wed Apr 18th, 2007 08:06 PM
Noah, a terrific post that makes sense in Manhattan, Charleston or anywhere people are buying and selling real estate. One of the many reasons that I consistently read your posts is your wonderful insight on the market. Thanks, Howard
Posted by Russ
Thu Apr 19th, 2007 04:04 AM
Great post, Noah!
Your blog and being our broker have made the buying process almost fun for us. I have even referred the blog to my doctor who is looking for a condo for his daughter - in Washington, DC!
Posted by Amy
Mon Jun 11th, 2007 08:55 AM
I heard that normally the price is not that negotiable if buyers have their broker since they come in to share the commission with the seller's broker. Is that true?
Posted by Gene
Tue Oct 23rd, 2007 03:09 PM
What do you do when, in the course of your prescibed "cooling periods", the seller's broker calls everyone that has shown interest in the property and tells them an offer is currently under negotiation and could very well be accepted? Or if they drop price in the face of your negotiation to create more interest?
What would happen if somebody matched the offer your buyer has submitted (or comes close to it), but has shown the seller (via the listing broker) that they really love the place. If I was a seller, I would accept the offer from the person who loves the property rather than points out the flaws, even if it was a little lower. That way, if I was the seller, I would rest assured that the contract would be signed. Buyers should understand that selling and purchasing real-estate is at least as much of an emotional ride as it is a financial one - for all parties. One can always raise (or lower) a bid until a contract is signed - but getting a seller to prefer you to another bidder is paramount to a successful deal and an on-time closing.
Furthermore, a good listing agent would have pointed out the "flaws" to a seller from the beginning, would have discussed the marketing strategy, when price drops should occur, and understands the seller's needs, bottom line, and time horizon. A good listing agent would have taken some time to prepare a marketing strategy that operates independantly of any one bid.
It's kind of fun to play cloak and dagger during a showing, but I think it may be more advantageous to let a seller know exactly what the level of interest is, and save the "poker face" for the card table.
Posted by Noah
Thu Oct 25th, 2007 09:14 AM
Gene - Thx for the comment. Its obviously my opinion on my experience.
In this shady world, its not surprising that a broker will call every DIRECT CLIENT that showed interest about the offer, in the hopes of reviving a deal that benefits them more in the deal. I have NEVER, not once got a call from another broker that I showed a unit with a client to, after a bid was received to CHECK IN and see if we still wanted to bid. Im sure you wont argue this!
As far as dropping price to the bid price to generate more interest, well, I never experienced that and I usually have my clients put a deadline on their bid to avoid leaving it on the table for weeks while the seller broker tries to find a better deal elsewhere. Either take it, or let us move elsewhere! No games.
As for accepting a lower bid because a buyer seems to like it more, I dont buy that at all! Never have I had a seller accept a lower bid, ( and I did have 3 bidding wars in past year), because one buyer submitted an offer letter stating how much they love the place. Its always a combination of HIGHEST & BEST offer that will easily pass the board and be able to get a loan commitment. Sometimes a reason outside the love for the apt can contiribute to a buyer not signing the contract. Sometimes they love it, but just get cold feet. Sometimes they find something in contract or bldg financials they dont like.
Your last point I agree with. I always point out flaws to the apt when I discuss pricing with my seller clients. Every seller thinks their home is perfect and worth more than last comparable sales. Its our nature. But every seller also appreciates honest feedback from buyers, to get a sense of how pricing is.
There is nothing wrong with a buyer pointing out a flaw during a showing, rather than act all giddy that they just fell in love. Most seller brokers report back to clients as to how the showing went, and this post was to expose that weakness to their advantage. Take the other side's perspective. Its hard to negotiate when the other party knows how you feel about the deal.
Not cloak and dagger. Negotiating is an art, and some people are much better negotiators than others. Bluffing sometimes is part of the game and I have seen sellers BLUFF their way into hundreds of thousands MORE dollars because they knew they 'had a live one'!
Real. life. nothing made up here. Again, thx for sharing your opinions on this!!
Posted by jf.sellsius
Sun Oct 28th, 2007 08:30 PM
Excellent advice here Noah. And I agree that loving an apt will not get a seller to sell it to you over a higher priced offer. If the bids were the same, yes, a rapport may be built-- no one likes to be told their baby is ugly. It helps if the seller does not "dislike" the buyer. It is an emotional game but money is usually the trump card.
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Thu Jun 3rd, 2010 01:27 AM
I think another reason fees are not being paid and free months not offered is that prices have come down. Apartments are moving but part of the reason is that prices came down to a point at which they will move.
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