Frederick Peters: Manhattan RE Mid-Year Report
A: Here is an excellent summation on the first half of 2010 by Frederick Peters, President of Warburg Realty. Fred really combines his experience and wisdom with his 'in the field' observations, anectdotal reports from his agents, and whatever data he has access to for this report. From where I am standing, the observations are spot on. The entire article is worth a read, with some highlighted points to focus on. After you read this, go back and check the Real-time Contracts Signed (direct from broker updates signaling the pace of listings entering contract from a previously ACTIVE state) chart I posted last week and you can see the confirmations in the data.
From Frederick Peters, "Warburg Realty Mid Year 2010 Market Review":
Thanks Fred! Keep the reports coming in.The second quarter of 2010 behaved like March in the old adage: it came in like a lion and went out like a lamb. April was the acme of a sales avalanche which began gaining force in the fall of 2009. Throughout Manhattan and western Brooklyn residential properties of every category were snapped up, often with competitive bidding, at prices averaging only 10-15% below the 2006/2007 peak. Numerous all time price records were set, especially in mid-sized and larger apartments, during March and April. Confidence and the stock market surged higher.
Buyers began emerging and becoming active during the fall of 2009, as gradually rising prices made them apprehensive lest they miss the opportunity to purchase while the market was still depressed. The wave of purchasing gained traction during the winter, and by March inventory had dropped from a 19 month supply to an 11 month supply, essentially normalizing the marketplace. Larger properties saw particularly robust gains during this period. While the absolute top of the market (properties asking $20 million and above) remained sluggish, demand for properties of six to twelve rooms was intense. It was precisely these properties for which demand had declined so precipitously during the period between September of 2008 and September of 2009. There was little available in this category, especially on the Upper East and Upper West sides, and only those buyers who acted quickly and aggressively succeeded in making a purchase. The early months of 2010 were replete with cognitive dissonance: buyers simply could not believe that they had missed “the bottom” and that failure to act decisively once again left them empty handed just as it had three years earlier!
The smaller apartment market, which had suffered less during the recession, rebounded less dramatically. The one- and two-bedroom markets did see significant absorption, but with lesser price increases and little competitive bidding, as supply for the most part continued to outweigh demand. The inconvenience surrounding construction of the Second Avenue subway depressed prices along that corridor and helped moderate demand for the postwar inventory which makes up the bulk of the housing stock north of 59th Street and east of Third Avenue. In the Village, in which the housing stock remains primarily rental, scarcity drove the market as it had before the recession, with many buyers competing for the few available offerings, especially in the larger two- and three-bedroom categories. In both Tribeca and the Financial District an overhang of unsold inventory from the condo construction boom helped keep prices moderate, while at the same time demand remained strong for the “old” Tribeca lofts, with their high ceilings and enormous windows, in the prewar industrial buildings for which the neighborhood was originally known. In Williamsburg, developers responded early and dramatically to the recession, slashing prices at their buildings and guaranteeing a level of activity which was the envy of most other emerging and more recently gentrified neighborhoods.
As April moved into May and May into June, first economic and then seasonal factors came to bear on the marketplace. Debt crises in Greece and Spain and a falling euro sidelined many Eurozone investors whose interest in New York real estate had buoyed the condo market for years. In our new global economy those European debt concerns began to weigh heavily on OUR equity markets as well. Consumer confidence here at home was further shaken by the program trading driven rout in stocks on Thursday May 6, which temporarily reduced many issues to near zero values. Although the market rebounded, the confidence did not. The jobless nature of our recovery, our mounting national debt burden, and government gridlock, both in Washington and Albany, further depressed the Dow, which lost value during much of June. And then, of course, summer arrived.
Real estate purchasers react in different ways to times like these. While recent developments have certainly taken the sizzle out of our market, deal flow remains healthy as buyers see a home purchase as an alternative to stocks and bonds, with significant collateral benefits. The latter half of June, July, and August are always slower in the residential sales, as both buyers and sellers spend more time out of the city. But with the market a little slower, real opportunities exist for buyers. Some sellers will still be holding out for pie in the sky, but for now that mad moment seems to be over.



The second quarter of 2010 behaved like March in the old adage: it came in like a lion and went out like a lamb. April was the acme of a sales avalanche which began gaining force in the fall of 2009. Throughout Manhattan and western Brooklyn residential properties of every category were snapped up, often with competitive bidding, at prices averaging only 10-15% below the 2006/2007 peak. Numerous all time price records were set, especially in mid-sized and larger apartments, during March and April. Confidence and the stock market surged higher.
Posted by sandy mattingly
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 11:28 AM
Geez, Noah, I don't know.... The more granular one tries to be, the less likely that there's data, and we get to anecdotes and agent impressions.
Couple of things struck me as odd or over-stated. (1) Saying "March inventory had dropped from a 19 month supply to an 11 month supply, essentially normalizing the marketplace". What if "inventory" (absorption, here) dropped because listing volume dropped *a little* but the rate of sales increased dramatically, to a rate that may be unsustainable? In that case, we have not "normalized".
(2) Does anyone else refer to "the 2006/2007 peak"? I thought the consensus was somewhere in the 4Q07 to 2Q08 range....
Moving to something I know more about ... Talk about Small Numbers: Peters thinks "demand remained strong for the “old” Tribeca lofts". I am going to have to further consider that, but my initial thought is that I see in my spreadsheet about a dozen sales of "old" Tribeca lofts in 2Q10. I don't have an easy baseline, but c'mon ... are we going to say 12 in 90 days is "strong" demand but 8 in 90 days is not??
And where is the "overhang of unsold inventory from the condo construction boom" in Tribeca? I may be overlooking something, but Artisan Lofts (143 Reade) is the largest and newest new condo loft development; it is pretty much sold out. The Fairchild (55 Vestry) has 17 of 21 sold or in contract. Tribeca Lofts (79 Worth, 78 + 80 Leonard) looks to be sold out (29 units), unless I am reading the listings wrong. Even Tribeca Summit (415 Greenwich) is 90% sold or in contract.
Not to be cynical, but it looks to me as though Peters should have stopped talking when he hit the Big Picture. If there is a new-condo-glut in Tribeca I am overlooking it; if he can discern a trend from a slice of a small part of a niche market in a small neighborhood ... he's a better loft guy than I am :-(
Posted by Kevin
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 11:46 AM
Stupid question- I have been trying to get a feel for the market mostly in Jersey City , where most listings state the taxes they pay or you can assume new construction will just be tax rate * purchase price. We have also been looking a bit in manhattan at coops, which have the taxes built in to the maintenance. But what about condos in Manhattan and Brooklyn? It seems more often than not, the taxes are not included on those listings. Can you assume that the taxes are either included in the maintenance or not significant? If not, how can you estimate what the taxes will be?
Posted by Noah
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 11:56 AM
very true about granularity and something we had to account for. We only stripped down groups of neighborhoods if they had a minimum number of listings. If they didnt, we had to add a nearby hood that I deemed close enough in terms of quality..i.e., grouping soho/tribeca/w village, rather than g village/chelsea/etc....deciding those groupings were a bit of a headache but it was from being a broker for 6 years and doing my best to keep certiain hoods together and not meshed with another group that buyers or sellers would not agree with
off to work now, so lets chat about this next week.
Hope all is well.
Posted by Real Estate Search
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 05:28 PM
it came in same a lion and went out equal a lamb. Apr was the top of a sales descend which began gaining validity in the travel of 2009.
Real Estate Search
Posted by nikki
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 10:58 PM
of course sandy mattngly is a BROKER. Have none of you studied the Great Depression? Any educated person understands that after a great dip there is a false rebound. Then the depression begins. Become educated; study history. History is cyclical. Period.
Obama is trying to emulate Roosevelt's New Deal and he is failing because NOW we have a global economy which is inextricably linked to the macrocosm. This is why we will have a far greater depression than anyone of us can conceive. Look at Japan, listen to Chanos and Roubini. Sorry Sandy--I bet on these guys; not on you. And guess what? I am a teacher. Think 30 percent lower on real estate in Manhattan from the recent lows and we will all be lucky. Stop trying to manipulate and hold onto the past. P.S. take a look at Saudi Arbabia and Dubai and see what they are building. Finally look at simple math. Borrowing TARP money comes from where????? Does it make economical sense to borrow so much money and expect it to alter the economy. Too big to fail? Let is all come to the REAL bottom and take care of the INDIVIDUALS who need help; not the big guys.
Posted by nikki
Fri Jul 16th, 2010 11:08 PM
is there a reason my comment was taken off? are you not providing an objective blog? interesting---
Posted by realist
Sat Jul 17th, 2010 09:14 AM
nikki and noah,
I suggest you read This Time is Different: Eight Centuries of Financial Follies by Reinhart and Rogoff. The data shows it takes 4 to 6 years for real estate markets to hit bottom after a financial crisis.
We'll all look back at the "fall '09 bottom" and realize that it was just for suckers.
Posted by sandy mattingly
Sat Jul 17th, 2010 02:47 PM
Geez, Nikki, I don't know where you got the impression I was trying in my comment "to manipulate and hold onto the past". I *thought* I was making 4 points, but maybe my aim was bad:
1. I took issue with Peters' suggestion that the market has "normalized"
2. I quibbled over Peters pegging the peak at "2006/2007" rather than a year or so later
3. I don't see any support for Peters statement that demand is strong for "old" Tribeca lofts
4. I provided some data contrary to Peters' suggestion that there is now a new dev condo overhang in Tribeca
I am not holding on to the past so much as trying to use actual sales and inventory data to comment on Peters market commentary. Honest ... I did not try to manipulate anything ... sorry you thought I was trying to bet against anyone other than Fred Peters.
Posted by Noah
Sun Jul 18th, 2010 02:35 PM
Nikki - yes, you got me. I stand around, wait for your comment and those like it, keep checking the comments folder and I unpublish them because I cant take it.
cmon now! did you forget to hit 'nyc' keyword?
Posted by Noah
Sun Jul 18th, 2010 02:44 PM
Realist - I believe you have been on this blog for a while now? right? You know my feelings on the bigger picture. Nikki should too.
There are two main goals to this site:
1. Macro economic discussions
and
2. Current state of Manhattan residential real estate market
#2 is very difficult to gauge as you probably know, and people always want to know, what is the manhattan market doing? It changes. And people want to know the changes because there are so many doing transactions in this city. So, I report on what I see and what the data tells me. The data doesnt lie. I agree with Fred because that is what I was seeing both in my business, in talks with colleagues and in the data I see on my soon to be launched system.
So, people must not take a STATUS REPORT on what this market has been doing, and translate any kind of bigger picture prediction from it. Trust me, Im still in the less bearish camp and acknowledge the macro/fiscal concerns that make The Great Recession so much like The Great Depression. But that doesnt mean the markets may behave differently from time to time. I always called the Manhattan action unsustainable, from the very beginning, and I was wrong on how long that reflation lasted and the mini craziness we had for a few months that saw 4000+ contracts being signed from FEB - APRIL. Thats a high pace! And if your in the field, you see it and so, you report on it because that is what people come here for. Those in the field updates.
Its important to separate short term market reporting from unpublished longer term concerns - that is what Nikki's flaw is. Nobody is trying to manipulate anything. That is just silly talk. Its simple reporting on market activity as best as we can tell it. You will know when I change my stance and I think all future macro/fiscal/policy concerns are priced in and represent good value. For now, that window only appeared for about 4-5 months from Jan-May or so in 2009, especially on the downtick in early march. And, I like Sandy, tend to look at 2007 as the peak year for our markets. I put peak at contracts signed from early-fall 2007.
Posted by Robert F.
Mon Jul 19th, 2010 02:56 PM
I think you did a fair job addressing some of the issues plaguing the market right now, but some things are definitely too generalized.
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