Europe's Souring Taste For Manhattan Property?
A: Well I wouldn't call it that, but I would call it something else. The WSJ discusses this topic and basically concludes that, "a certain type of European buyer that left a strong footprint on New York during the boom years may be gone for a very long time: middle-class professionals from countries like Spain and Ireland". That is for sure. The boom years of 2006-2007 were outliers, fueled by rampant speculation and availability of all sorts of credit products and leverage. Those days are way gone, and with it, the days of e-z borrowing & leverage for big time Manhattan property purchases. As the credit crisis ultimately morphed into a sovereign debt crisis in the Eurozone, there are two forces worth noting that I think are hovering over new buyers today: declining confidence + declining purchasing power.
The WSJ.com discusses, "Currency Fall Curbs Europe's Taste for New York Property":
The euro's 25% depreciation against the dollar, to less than $1.20 earlier this month means that Europeans are paying a quarter more for New York property in dollar terms than they did two years ago when one euro was exchanged into $1.60.I discussed how all/mostly cash euro investors who bought at the peak can cancel out some asset depreciation back in May. But the more important element in the European equation is what forces are affecting the buy side; because as many of you know, its all about the bids! When the bids change, the markets change.
"I'm spending a lot of time talking people off the ledge,'' says Dolly Lenz, a top-selling broker with Prudential Douglas Elliman, referring to Italian, Spanish and English clients who are getting cold feet about buying in the city. "I'm doing this daily. People are losing confidence that it's going to turn around quickly.''
Their reticence comes as the New York housing market is showing signs of a tentative comeback; ...however, much of the industry is growing anxious that European demand among the speculative or less well-heeled buyer may be softening. Brokers worry that some Europeans who bought New York property near the peak and took a hit of 20% to 30% may have made enough back in currency appreciation to cancel out investment declines.
A certain type of European buyer that left a strong footprint on New York during the boom years may be gone for a very long time: middle-class professionals from countries like Spain and Ireland.
When it comes to the conditions that led to a 25% decline in the Euro against our Dollar, my gut thinks the following is happening in the minds of these future buyers:
1. Declining Confidence - European markets adjusted with the sovereign debt worries and that always leads to a negative wealth 'effect'. Considering where we came from, its hard to think many high net worth foreigners were not 'in the game' before the adjustment; so there was pain to be felt. The 'effect' usually changes the motivation of marginal buyers (who would rather put their buy on hold) and the aggressiveness of higher net worth individuals (who would rather bid more conservatively).
Evidence of this came in the WSJ article when broker Suzan Bennet's Belgian client, "worried about Europe's plummeting stock markets and currency, pulled out". The high end buyer eventually came back but at a reduced price.
2. Less Purchasing Power - Discussed in April, this is also a big force entering the minds of Euro buyers. There will ALWAYS be foreign buyers of our property, at all times, but how far their local money goes is now in question. In short, their money buys a lot less house than it did only a few years ago and that means less purchasing power.
When I left, my 30-day broker status box in my new system showed 1,130 new signed contracts. When I checked for the first time this morning, it shows 869 new contracts signed in the last 30 days. My new platform is being designed from the ground up to help you get a pulse on the market, and there are both short term and long term trend tools available. I like to view the longer trends to understand the bigger picture of what this market is doing. I love watching the shorter term analytics to track how this market changes with a 30-day window. The slowdown in signed deals is both seasonal and normal considering the sustained pace of the reflation this market experienced. I dont think its because of the topic of this post. Rather, nothing goes up forever and this market simply 'needed a breather' at a time when this market normally slows for seasonal reasons anyway.
I'll end this discussion with a snapshot of this Broker Status Tool (as of this am) and a near term chart of the sharp decline in the Euro:




Posted by CEO Corcoran
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 07:53 AM
http://therealdeal.com/newyork/articles/foreigners-continue-to-buy-u-s-real-estate-pamela-liebman-of-the-corcoran-group-and-jay-koster-president-of-americas-capital-markets-for-jones-lang-lasalle
you should send your article to Mrs. Liebman who has no clue...
Posted by Noah
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 08:19 AM
well the CEOs of the biggest firms tend to take a optimistic stance on markets; even when fear is truly at remarkably high levels like it was in early 2009. This is a volume based commission industry.
I recall Dottie Herman on the Inman RE conference panel with me, Barry Ritholtz and Prof Roubini back in JAN 2008 (http://www.urbandigs.com/2007/11/inman_real_estate_conference_2.html)...
She had to take a more optimistic stand on stage, amid the very bearish others, including myself. In the end, she did state the market will get back, which it did, but only after it got much much worse. We just have to accept that part of being a head of a major brokerage firm in this industry is understanding PR and how to not say the wrong things. Just the way it is I guess. I never met Pam and never spoke with her so I dont know much about her as a person other than that she runs the biggest brokerage firm here in the city
Posted by henry
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 10:20 AM
In line with their incentives, most agents are almost perpetually bullish.
My favorite is Christine "The Sky is Not Falling" Toes from Sept 2008 (as the financial world was crashing):
http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/09/manhattan_real_estate_the_sky.html
Posted by SteveF
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 10:29 AM
henry, the sky never fell for manhattan real estate. So Toes was right. Noah, getting close to Q2 numbers popping. What's your take. Another analysis coming?
Posted by Noah
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 10:37 AM
Well in Toes defense, she was never really heavy into the credit dislocation and the macro forces in play at that time. She spoke from what she saw in her business and to be honest, at that time it was only starting to really fall off the cliff. Until Lehman failed, the fed/govt bailed out everyone else.
Her timing was off, that was for sure in hindsight..but I know many people that didnt really 'get' the problem or see the problem as causing such a sharp adjustment in our market. Its over now and people like to look back and say, 'oh yea, it was clear this market was overpriced and had to adjust to the new realities out there and the credit crisis'...but at the time and before it happened, denial was the overwhleming force as I dont think many really understood the nature of the crisis. I mean how many people really understand the MBS/ABS and CDS markets and how they interlock with each other and affect our banking system. They do now, but in late 2007 and early 2008, most outsiders didnt. So they started to read up and learn about it. Got to start somewhere.
At the time, many were just going about their business and trying to make deals happen.
Posted by SteveF
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 10:38 AM
Also Noah, everyone is forgetting about the Brazilians and Chinese buyers. Maybe they are ramping up their search offsetting the Europeans. I bet everyone selling here has had many Chinese buyers showings
Posted by Noah
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 10:42 AM
SteveF - Q2 is released July 2nd. I expect a very ROSY report and Q3 to be even better especially on a y-o-y basis.
It will lead to a disconnect on what the report tells us about the market and what may be happening at the time. Right now, I see a slowing market largely a function of an unsustainable uptick that went a bit nuts in JAN-MARCH..seasonally it should slow and it is.
But the reports will, at a lag, show the progressive price improvement Ive been discussing for over half a year now. Wait until JAN-MARCH deals get filtered in right when the y-o-y report compares to the worst of the downturn, that is Q3.
Posted by Keith Burkhardt
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 11:58 AM
The sky may not have fallen, but it certainly darkened for many. Especially those that bought 2006 to early 2009 and have to sell today, it can be downright ugly. I have been involved with 3 deals very recently where the sellers were unfortunately taking a bath, unless you consider losing $300k+ transaction costs acceptable.
I am neither a bear nor bull, just in the now.
Posted by anon
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 01:14 PM
"I am neither a bear nor bull, just in the now"
Exactly, Keith.
As opposed to SteveF, who is "in the NO", or in other words, deep deep denial. No wonder the guy hasn't been able to sell his properties. There is no stronger statement about a seller's distance from reality than his inability to sell.
Posted by AvUWS
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 02:23 PM
A number of psychological elements missing from the Euro/$ issue.
If the Euro will still depreciate and someone intends to bet that way with their assets, they are much better off just buying US treasuries. Guaranteed appreciation in a VERY liquid market with far less downside risk.
On the other hand, it is possible the Euro has reached a low. Just as the cure for high prices is high prices (increased supply, reduced demand, etc.) so is lower prices the cure for lower prices. The Euro has already depreciated so dramatically based on fears of European economy collapses that it has made them much more competitive and hence less likely to collapse. (A "devaluation" for the whole Euro-zone).
If The Euro has bottomed (or made most of its drop), but NY real estate hasn't, then the smart move might be to SELL what was bought while the gittin' out is good.
(Devil's advocate hat now off).
Posted by Ana Maria
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 02:32 PM
I think that, depending on how bad the European situation gets, it may well be that Europeans who did purchase in '05-'07 may need to sell the properties they bought to increase their own personal liquidity ... a flight to cash, so to speak, particularly if the currency gains largely offset the fall in property prices in NYC, as will likely be the case.
Then it's a question of what kind of market they'll be selling into. If things continue slowing down for the rest of the year, it will become a tension between selling earlier to catch whatever momentum is left while leaving some additional currency gains on the table versus selling later on an as-needed basis but risking a further property price downturn.
... more of a theoretical, rather than practical, perspective - but that's where my mind is right now.
Posted by lars
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 03:00 PM
Broken record here, but anyone who thinks the troubles in the financial system are behind us, and the EU, specifically, is smoking whoopy weed.
Posted by SteveF
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 04:55 PM
hey somewhereelse take your BS back to SE. Couldn't put up your name huh? Had to wimp out. Don't start panting now.....I'm far from being in the red as opposed to you who keeps paying rent and building "nothing". My mtg principal drops $750 and increasing! every month thanks to your rent check.
Posted by anon
Wed Jun 16th, 2010 08:20 PM
Sorry SteveF - not somewhereelse! But a completely different person who reached the same conclusion about you long ago. Just another ghost in your head, laughing away. Anyway, how's that studio selling? I'll tell you what - I'll give you 50% of your last ask. I need a storage room.
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Posted by In Debt We Trust
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 09:50 AM
Noah,
Do you know if it's possible to create a CDS for protecting residential real estate values? Many of the investment banks were willing to create custom CDS (all OTC traded) for commercial real estate.
But instead of exotic, thinly traded instruments between JPM and GS, the CDS can be bought by the common person to protect their investments in the case of a developer default (through a fund of course).
Just think of all the premium to collect insuring against a default. European roadshow here you go.
Posted by SteveF
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 09:59 AM
hey anon, did you pay your rent yet? Your owner loves it when he pays his mortgage down with YOUR MONEY. Talk about laughing away. Don't start the trash talk renter you cannot win. As for your question of my studio for sale. The rent I'm getting increased $400 this year. it's starting to add up giving me a nice return so I'm having second thoughts of selling even with 2 offers on the table. So as you can see I'm doing great!!! :)
Posted by anon
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 10:49 AM
SteveF - Yes I did!! Wow, we're BOTH winners cuz my rent went DOWN this year! :) In fact, I feel even better because my rent is approx 50% of what the carrying costs would be to own an equivalent apt! (Explains why I'd offer 50% of your ask) SteveF, you have no idea how much $ I've been saving. As always, thank you - talking to you makes me feel so smart!
Posted by anon
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 10:49 AM
SteveF - Yes I did!! Wow, we're BOTH winners cuz my rent went DOWN this year! :) In fact, I feel even better because my rent is approx 50% of what the carrying costs would be to own an equivalent apt! (Explains why I'd offer 50% of your ask) SteveF, you have no idea how much $ I've been saving. As always, thank you - talking to you makes me feel so smart!
Posted by SteveF
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 01:49 PM
anon..not. get real. 450k studio would cost you if you financed the whole f'n thing at today's rates would be about 2200. With taxes, cc about another 700 so total 2900 The rent you would pay would be anywhere from 2200-2400(say 2300). Now deducting for your interest/real estate taxes/cc off your ordianry income translates into about another 400 per month income tax savings bringing your total monthly cost owning vs renting with ZERO down to 2900-2300=-600+400(tax savings)= -200 in favor of renting. So it's costing you $200 more a month to own. HOWEVER, as you pay your mtg down you are reducing your debt probably 500 per month for a net EQUITY gain of 300 per month and YOU OWN IT, capturing all the future price appreciation. OK genius. That's why real estate has made those who own it tremendously wealthy for each new generation.
Also, rents are moving up as i write this.
Posted by Fred
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 03:04 PM
SteveF - did you buy an investment property with zero down? i doubt it. but the real point is, who cares about the low end studio / 1 bed market. that's peanuts. your whopping net cash flow isn't even bus fare and isn't worth the brain damage. here's a challenge - try doing your same exercise on a real 2 bed (>1,200 sf) w/ 2 baths in a full service doorman bldg. the negative carry is min 3% to 5% on at least 450k in equity.
sounds like a great deal to me!
as for your rent, you may get $2,200 for class A doorman buildings but pre-wars aren't getting that and walk-ups are in the $1,700 range. finally, i don't know what interest rate you are using but debt service on 450k is $2,400, not $2,200. but the real point here is in reality one would have 100k in equity in a studio and for what? a 2.5% return, pre-tax? you must be joking. go buy yourself a PIMCO gov't bond fund - you'd be taking less risk and would be liquid.
finally, you need a lesson in loan amortization. but your example really drives home the point of how overvalued this market is. if you think you are actually "building" equity, i've got some CDOs to sell you as well.....
Posted by SteveF
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 03:23 PM
Fred,
Your starting to riddle again. No matter how hard I try I can't find anything that is coherent enough to comment on. I'll try the peanuts comment. Sure a studio may be peanuts to a 2 bdrm guy but it's not peanuts when you own 10 studios. So there!! I think.
Posted by SteveF
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 03:29 PM
To Fred from SE
nyc10023
about 2 hours ago
ignore this person
report abuse Just got a call from our bank - they are offering us a jumbo at 4.375%
btw, what a rate! Unbelievable! ok back to Fred
Posted by Brian23
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 03:53 PM
As of today, Freddie Mac has 30 year conforming loans for 30 year is 4.75% and for 15 year its 4.20%. I dont know what kind of a place can or would offer a Jumbo loan less than a conforming 30 year and only ~18 bps over a 15 year conforming. There is a wider spread when you trade these types of securities between 30 year and Jumbo, so I cant imagine getting a jumbo for this rate.
Posted by Brian23
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 04:01 PM
From Wells Fargo:
Jumbo1 Loans – Amounts that exceed conforming loan limits1
30-Year Fixed 5.500% 5.643%
5-Year ARM 4.625% 4.036%
The site below has Jumbo rates also:
http://www.freerateupdate.com/
Posted by Sam Reynolds
Thu Jun 17th, 2010 06:10 PM
But wasn't Manhattan real estate seen to be 'over valued' for the longest time? Perhaps the ease in demand is a form of healthy market correction.
Posted by anonymous
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 09:08 AM
Paying down your mortgage is really just investing more equity in your asset. If your home is in fact producing a crappy 2.5% ROE, It's a pretty dumb place to put money when you can by a short duration bond fund with low risk and receive a higher yield.
Posted by SteveF
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 09:58 AM
Anon,
You're paying down that mtg with other people's money not your own.
Posted by Fred
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 10:40 AM
SteveF - you don't get it. you have equity in the deal from the start. you aren't financing 100%. so, yes, you are getting a peanut sized return of 2.5% on equity on a series of peanut size deals when you could simply buy one security, remain liquid and go golfing with the proceeds (or shop for skirts & high heels as the case may be with you). furthermore, the argument that you are paying down principal with OPM, is stupid. way out on the timeline, yes, you are reducing principal but that takes 15 years or more to make a dent. the only thing that matters is current yield, not fantasy equity. when and if you sell it for what you paid or more, then you can realize that gain, recalculate your IRR over the life of the investment and boast. But, the fact is you are risking everything for upside when - as many have pointed out here - you could take much less risk and get a better return on capital.
Posted by AvUWS
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 12:14 PM
Even by Steve's own explanation that it is OPM he still isn't making business optimal decisions ESPECIALLY if he is so convinced that R/E is going up.
If you really are seeing a net cash positive cash flow to hold an asset you think is going up in value then what you have done is invested using a margin account. That is a brilliant way to leverage any investment into a much greater return provided you are right and things move your way.
Of course if you are so sure then why aren't you taking the cash proceeds and reinvesting them into more of the same asset?!?
Instead, Steve claims he is so sure of himself yet he uses each net cash dollar to reduce the amount invested on margin. So either he isn't so sure he is right, or if he is, then he is investing in a remarkably and objectively sub-optimal manner.
(Note, in this argument I am making no judgement of the market, merely that if he is right about the market, he isn't going about the investments right.)
Posted by anonymous
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 01:22 PM
I'm not in Steve's camp, but in his defense, he is probably required to pay down his principal unless he's running with an IO. Keeping the leverage constant would probably require too much transaction cost to be worthwile.
Posted by SteveF
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 04:02 PM
Of course if you are so sure then why aren't you taking the cash proceeds and reinvesting them into more of the same asset?!?
I do. When I pay down the principal combined with appreciation then your equity is sufficient to do a cash out refi for down payment for the next one.
You can't deny real estate's historical appreciation rates. It's as good a bet as you can make. People know this too. They look at you with envy when you say you are a real estate investor, however they look at you like you're a gambler when you are a stock investor.
Posted by SteveF
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 04:07 PM
he is probably required to pay down his principal unless he's running with an IO.
anon, never did an interest only. Always fixed.
Posted by SteveF
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 04:13 PM
also AvUWS, obviously price appreciation is a big factor in building equity so if the market gets flat then you just sit and wait for appreciation to resume as it has always done. In the meantime, you continue to build wealth as your principal balance decreases.
Posted by anonymous
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 05:02 PM
stock investors have definitely outperformed real estate in the long run (not the last 10 or 20 years) if you are looking at price appreciation. Real estate prices have generally tracked inflation, i.e., 0% real appreciation. Stocks have averaged around 8% less inlation over many decades. If you need other people's approval so badly, I suggets taking that $400 and invest in therapy.
Posted by Fred
Fri Jun 18th, 2010 11:08 PM
I am an idiot...I enjoy being an idiot and I love paying rent!
Posted by Bear
Sun Jun 20th, 2010 01:48 AM
SteveF,
Lets do your whole studio example in square footage. This of course only works for mortgages over $1 mm that are deductable.
So say your studio is 600 sf and sells for 450K, or 750 psf. Your cc/tax/mait on a studio WITH NO DOORMAN might be the $700 you quoted, i.e. 1.1 psf/month. In a doorman bldg, its going to be $1.50 to $2.00 per month. Your claiming the rent for the unit might be $2400 or $4 psf. Granted possible. Say the cc/maint/tax is 50% deductable (works for low income earnings without NYS income tax that puts them into the AMT). Say the overall bracket is 28 fed and 8 city+state = 36%. So the aftertax maint/cc/tax is $110 lower or $600 per month, or $1 per sf. So you are saving $3 psf or 36 psf/year after tax in exchange for putting down 700 psf. This is a bit over 5%. But you can borrow money, say 25% down, for 5%, but you also get a deduction in this low income bracket of 36%, so your money only cost you 3.2%. So you are saving about 1.8% on the mortgage amount, and you are earning on the non-mortgage about 5.1% tax free. Your example works because:
1) The rent is relatively high per sf for non-doorman studios;
2) The maint/tax/cc is relatively low for non-doorman buildings;
3) Your renter does not make more than $200K so it not fully subject to the AMT and can thus write off the tax; and
4) Your apartment is so cheap it does not need mortgage indebtedness over the $1 mm residential mortgage deduction limit.
The same apartment at the high end is more expensive for the buyer earning $500K per year, subject to AMT, and taking out a mortgage over $1 mm, most likely in a doorman bldg.
In cap rate terms, this low end unit has a cap rate of maybe around 5%, where as the high end unit might have a cap rate of around 2.5%. In the current environment, how much of your money do you want to tie up earning tax free 2.5%. Not much. But to earn 5%, you would do it all day as it is lower risk to loan money to yourself than NYS or NYC (on tax free bonds).
I am fairly sure that nothing carries or is profitable on the high end in Manhattan. I however have seen another example of a friend who bought a low end studio that is cheaper than renting. This friend paid 500 psf but faces 150 psf of renovation work. Overall it will work.
And if interest rates which are now at historical lows go up, the comparison gets more difficult for all units. For those who want to buy a unit that cost more than $1 mm, a big question is how much of your money do you want to tie up earning 2.5% or even 2% in your residence. Unless your very sophisticated, you can't hedge the interest rate risk without a mortgage, and you are completely at risk for owning an illiquid low yielding bond like asset in a market that may (50% chance) see rising interest rates. If bonds go back to a more normal 6.5% when the fed tightens, exactly how much or your money do you want to see tied up at 2.5%, tax free or not??
So in the higher end market for units over say $1.5 million, I think the buyer is entirely playing for price appreciation, i.e. the bigger fool theory of speculation.
Posted by Bear
Sun Jun 20th, 2010 02:01 AM
"You can't deny real estate's historical appreciation rates. It's as good a bet as you can make. People know this too. They look at you with envy when you say you are a real estate investor, however they look at you like you're a gambler when you are a stock investor."
Those people are ignorant (not knowing) of the truth. And who cares what they think.
Everyone is a genius in the bull market is a better saying. Lets see a bear market (10 years of down) and then talk about it.
For the owner investor who rents to third parties, there is the rollover cost on the rent roll, i.e. brokerage commission or time. There is also periodic renovation that is necessary to keep the apartment marketable. Finally, the entire bet is dependent on rising incomes in NYC to keep the rents up. What if rents fall. And what if NYC or NYS has fiscal problems which require more taxes. What happens then to NYC? Someone will pay the taxes and that can't be good for real-estate.
Posted by Fred
Sun Jun 20th, 2010 05:46 PM
Bear - well put.
SteveF - to make a living renting studios, you would need to own like 50 to make it worthwhile from a time investment just to manage. Bear is right that what you forget is that real estate has to include a CAPEX and rollover cost over time - typically that is anywhere from 5% to 15% of gross rent. the point is that the really wealthy NYC landlords, bought really low and don't have mortgages; it is pure cash flow on very low cost basis. your presumption that the same appreciation a landlord realized over the last 20 years is a certainty is a HUGE bet (read: speculative, not an investment). the problem here is that you think you are more sophisticated than you act. try buying a serious multifam in Manhattan these days - you are lucky to get a 5.5% cap - which in my mind is flat out silly b/c you can bank on refinancing in 5 to 7 years at 7% or more (and getting whacked by Albany on taxes for the next five years minimum.....)
Posted by bear
Sun Jun 20th, 2010 07:55 PM
Fred / Steve,
I bought in another city REO multifamily that I hope will end up being the 10%+ cap rate that I expected in my proforma. Thus far I have spent on renovating the REO an extra 10% more than planned at purchase, so maybe it 9% cap rate. On the other hand I have raised rents by 10% on the occupied units (because they were so happy the new landlord renovated the common space of the building). I have just finished the renovation of the remaining unoccupied units and I am about to see if I can rent them for the same amount -- I am getting a certificate of occupancy this week.
I can't buy anything like this in prime Manhattan. Maybe in lower income Queens or the Bronx, but I don't see 10% pro-forma cap rates on anything in prime Manhattan south of 110th street. I think my bet on the high cap rate REO outside of NYC market is a better bet. Maybe I will be wrong and rents will appreciate at 6% a year in Manhattan. But its not a bet I want to make where I can invest in rents staying the same, still carry, and end up making good levered money. We will see how I will do.
-Bear
Posted by Thisson
Tue Jun 22nd, 2010 12:46 PM
Thanks to Fred and Bear!
It's very helpful to see the math that investors use in making these assessments.
Bear, what made you decide to jump in now instead of waiting for a better deal when there is "blood in the streets" (which I am expecting in ~2 more years [2012] based on Credit Suisse's ARM Recast/Reset analysis).
Posted by Noah
Tue Jun 22nd, 2010 01:03 PM
Hey guys, I can really use some reader help here for the next week or two..
If any of you have a discussion or article in mind, on anything Manhattan real estate, send it in to me...noah@urbandigs(+dot)com
I have 6 problems to solve and 4 tasks to finish to get this system ready for launch. It will take me few weeks. I can really use some OP-ED pieces, like the buy/rent one a week ago, and plan to make that a bigger part of the site moving forward.
If you guys want to talk about something on your mind, Id love to read it and publish it!
Posted by havenja07
Fri Jul 23rd, 2010 11:20 PM
I bought in another city REO multifamily that I hope will end up being the 10%+ cap rate that I expected in my proforma. Thus far I have spent on renovating the REO an extra 10% more than planned at purchase, so maybe it 9% cap rate. On the other hand I have raised rents by 10% on the occupied units (because they were so happy the new landlord renovated the common space of the building). I have just finished the renovation of the remaining unoccupied units and I am about to see if I can rent them for the same amount -- I am getting a certificate of occupancy this week.
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Fri Aug 13th, 2010 04:50 AM
The slowdown in signed deals is both seasonal and normal considering the sustained pace of the reflation this market experienced. I dont think its because of the topic of this post. Rather, nothing goes up forever and this market simply 'needed a breather' at a time when this market normally slows for seasonal reasons anyway.
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