Keeping Your Lender Local To Avoid Bumps
A: You may often hear Manhattan brokers recommending to any buyer that they use a New York City based attorney and lender. There are reasons for this recommendation. Now of course the buyer has the right to shop around and go with an out-of-city lender if they offer the best rate/terms; but be advised that it may cause you some headaches down the road.
In a new development, all buyers pretty much wait for the temporary CoO to come in and those 30-day closing notice letters to be mailed out by the sponsor. Once that happens, the buyer's job is to make sure their loan is clear to close so that the attorneys can co-ordinate a closing date. Once a closing date is confirmed, a punchlist walkthrough can be setup for the buyer to inspect the property prior to closing. So the process goes.
But what happens when the lender erroneously advises the client that the loan is cleared to close, because they are not familiar with the NYC new development closing process? Here is what I just went through with a client who gave me the OK, along with their attorney, to discuss their experience here with the hopes of educating others out there who may find themselves in a similar situation:
The chain reaction of emails and frustration begins as confusion sets in on all sides wondering why there is a delay? The buyer was told they are clear. The attorney was told they are clear. In reality, the bank is not clear to close due to internal mis-understandings of the closing process here. The sponsor wont give a close date because the lender didnt clear the close. The contact at the new dev is emailed to 'break the silence' and help with the walkthrough. The punchlist team organizer is pinged, who can't do anything until a closing date is confirmed. The buyers are frustrated and rightfully so being told inaccurate information. The attorneys are trying to explain and the sponsor/new dev team are partially blamed for their silence. And of course me, the broker is left wondering where the source of the problem is; as I naturally assume what my client's lender told to us is correct information. Why shouldn't I?
Here was the problem:
"First off, your bank has not even sent their bank attorney your commitment letter. To top it off, then the Albany bank attorneys, need to communicate with their NYC representatives which has not happened at all. We cannot schedule a closing with the sponsor until the bank attorneys tell us your loan is fully cleared, which it is not. The lender is asking for things from the sponsor's counsel that are NOT provided in NYC sponsor condo transactions; for example, they are insisting that the deed be prepared ahead of time for bank review. Sponsor will not, nor are they required, to produce closing documents prior to the closing. The bank also does not understand how violations are cleared in NYC and in addition, they are asking for unnecessary and unavailable Certificates of Occupancy. Until the bank attorneys understand how to do a closing here, we are delayed."The following is some advice from Steven Matz of KatzMatz.net, an attorney I have worked with before and would recommend to any buyer or seller out there seeking a suggestion for an attorney to use.
For Co-ops: A few cooperatives exist in parts of Long Island, and in some other urban areas, such as Chicago and San Francisco, but they make up a minute sector of the real estate market in those locales. Contrast with New York City, where coops predominate the market -- many out of City lenders are simply unfamiliar with the components that make up a cooperative loan -- we have lien searches, not title reports; we have a stock certificate proving ownership, not a deed; we have Uniform Commercial Code filings, not recorded mortgages; add to the mix cooperative recognition agreements, questionnaires needed from managing agents, and the whole "board approval" process, and even a seasoned broker or lender's representative who is unfamiliar with these factors will inevitably find the process daunting and complex.
For New-Dev Condos: Many real estate attorneys in New York City are faced with trying to explain the unique nature of these transactions, as well as continually point out that "no, we don't have homeowner's associations here -- just a Sponsor run board", or needing to explain that a Temporary Certificate of Occupancy is absolutely sufficient to close on NYC, and that the Permanent Certificate of Occupancy may not issue for years, or what plan effectiveness and the filing of the declaration of Condominium actually means.
The Role of Bank Attorney at Closing: Another significant feature of New York Real estate that is quite unlike most other areas is that we are essentially an "attorney state"; Buyers and Sellers are represented by Counsel, and so are lending institutions! In many jurisdictions, a title or abstract company handles the documents, the filings and the disbursement of money. In New York City, the bank has their own counsel to represent them at a closing, something extremely rare in other places. We have encountered numerous lenders around the nation, who are completely unaware that they must retain local NYC counsel to represent them at the Closing -- this misunderstanding, and lack of communication between lender and attorney has caused more delays and problematic closings than can be estimated.
Final Thoughts: It is not my intention to make disparaging remarks about out of NYC lenders/brokers, or to add to any misconceptions about the "mystique" or "snobbery" of NYC real estate -- I merely urge all of my clients to consider a local lender to make their own lives exponentially easier. It is often difficult to persuade an out of City or State purchaser to take this advice; some have long standing relationships with their own local lenders or brokers and insist these people "know what to do." Yet time and time again, we are faced with significant delays in closings, and in some extreme cases, even the complete withdrawal of funding, because the Purchaser's local lender did not understand the particularities of a NYC real estate transaction. The New York real estate market and closing process can be difficult enough, without adding to the mix a lender or mortgage broker who is understandably unfamiliar with the complexities and nuances of our systems. All New York real estate attorneys and real estate brokers can make their deals much more streamlined and increase the probability of a swift and smooth closing, by gently but concertedly recommending a local broker or lender.



Posted by MortgageMan
Tue May 4th, 2010 09:27 AM
Great write up Noah. Couldn't agree more with you and.Steven Matz.
Try explaining the concept of Battery Park City subordination agreements to a lender from Wyoming...
Posted by NYC Broker
Tue May 4th, 2010 12:11 PM
I have worked with Steven Matz before recently on my purchase and I must say I have never been happier. This article with all this information is just a piece of the pie of knowledge Steven had regarding my deal. I loved the read, thank you Noah for such a great article and thank you Steven and the whole Katz & Matz Team......
Posted by cahya
Tue May 4th, 2010 07:48 PM
Nice web, I like it.
Posted by jmg
Tue May 4th, 2010 08:07 PM
So, if my Missouri based lender uses a
New York law firm to do the closing,
should I be ok?
Posted by Steven Matz
Tue May 4th, 2010 10:09 PM
JMG, it will certainly help. The lender MUST engage the services of a NY attorney to attend the closing for them. If a coop purchase, just be sure the lender understands all of the necessary documents needed for the loan; AZTEC recognition agreements, lien search and UCC1 filing authorizations. Your attorney should be able to provide this information to the lender's representatives.
Posted by Eric
Tue May 4th, 2010 10:46 PM
Great post!
It's like night and day dealing with a lender that understands NYC and one that doesn't. I walked into two banks to look at co-op rates. One was known to have slightly higher rates, but I have a good banking relationship with them. The higher rate bank had a mortgage lender on site, explained what I needed and and walked me through the process. The lower rate bank had the branch rep call a mortgage rep. The mortgage rep asked me questions like "is zip 10016 in Manhattan, NY or New York, NY." I just tell him to look up the city and state of the branch I'm in. Next up, he pulls up rates and then goes "whoops, those are for California." I walked out shortly afterwards.
Posted by Miami Beach Homes Sale
Wed May 5th, 2010 07:56 AM
This is good information. Great post regarding real estate. Thanks for this.
Posted by jsam72
Wed May 5th, 2010 08:53 AM
great post. i love this site!
how about when the seller insists on using a non real estate attorney "friend" based in nyc to handle the sale of her co-op? would be curious to hear your thoughts on any foreseeable issues that may arise in this scenario. thanks nr!
Posted by Noah
Wed May 5th, 2010 01:31 PM
jsam72 - i hate to say this but i would encourage you NOT to use:
1) a non real estate atty
and
2) a friend to conduct diligence on your behalf
This is a big purchase and you should have an unbiased, unconflicted, independant real estate attorney who handles coops and condo filigence and transactions in Manhattan guiding you and reviewing the purchase on your behalf. Thats just me! Its the best 2K you can spend for such a big purchase to make sure you have someone on your side protecting you!
Posted by bruce cohen
Wed May 5th, 2010 07:22 PM
Worst thing is when client goes to its local chase, boa etc. Branch sends them to underwriters in Jacksonvilee who on a coop don't know what a recognition agreement is. Its a nightmare.
Posted by Sandy Edry
Wed May 5th, 2010 07:34 PM
Great post, Noah. I'd say that at least 75% of my most difficult deals in the last year stemmed from the use of out-of area bankers or lawyers (and that inludes Long Island and NJ). This should be "must reading" for any buyer.
Posted by Susan in Hong Kong
Mon May 10th, 2010 02:53 AM
And the reverse is true, too! As a New Yorker, I purchased a small home in St. Louis Missouri as an investment. Missouri is a title state - meaning that the title company handles everything. I was blown away with the simplicity of it all having purchased both co-ops and condos in Manhattan! Going local makes sense - wherever you are!
Posted by Miami Beach Condo
Fri Jun 11th, 2010 02:28 AM
This is a very interesting post. It’s becoming a trend nowadays even in real estate. Thanks for this.
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Fri Aug 13th, 2010 04:16 AM
You may often hear Manhattan brokers recommending to any buyer that they use a New York City based attorney and lender. There are reasons for this recommendation. Now of course the buyer has the right to shop around and go with an out-of-city lender if they offer the best rate/terms; but be advised that it may cause you some headaches down the road.