Sovereign Worries Once Again Touch Markets
A: I say 'touch' because at this point, that is all it really is. After a 70%+ rise in equities, having a down day in today's world seems to be as much of a surprise as if the Fed would hike rates intrameeting; which we know ain't happening anytime soon! Is it me, or does it seem like markets just go up everyday? Ah, the environment where complacency sets in. Today the markets are getting a whiff of renewed Sovereign concerns over Greece. Portugal and Spain are not far behind. While it means nothing yet and with high yield still 'en fuego', it's something to watch as a potential threat to the broader market recovery. If there is one thing I learned as a trader, it is that you never know when markets will all of a sudden deem a piece of news as a 'trigger' for a new market selloff. This is what makes timing the markets so difficult as the markets can stay irrational way longer than any one investor can stay solvent!
Taking a break from Manhattan real estate today. Here is a chart showing you a 1-YR chart on 5YR Sovereign CDS spreads for Greece, Portugal and Spain - the P, G, & S in the so called PIIGS concerns (chart courtesy of my old trading buddy Anthony over at Momentum Trading Partners):

As worries rise over the ability to repay government debt, the cost of insuring those bonds rises with it - this is measured by the widening spread of Credit Default Swaps. The chart above shows you the markets worries. The spread widens as the annual amount it costs the buyer to protect against default of the insured contract rises. The spread is expressed as a percentage of the notional amount.
From FT Blog:
"Greece’s CDS spreads spiraled upwards today, providing a reminder that the sovereign’s problems are far from solved. The country’s spreads rose to 400bp, 50bp wider than Thursday’s close and the first time it has reached this key level since Feb 24. The widening appears to have been sparked by concern about bond issuance and the rate that Greece can borrow from the EU. In what appears to be yet another example of the disunity within the EU, Germany is in conflict with its fellow members over the interest rate that will be charged to Greece if it taps the emergency loan package agreed last month. According to reports, Germany is opposed to Greece being lent money at the same rate Portugal and Ireland fund, believing that Greece’s fiscal position merits a higher rate."I repeat, we had our brush with these issues and so far they have amounted to nothing more than a case of fleas that the market ultimately brushed off. But given where we came from and how hot the high yield market has been lately, its only a matter of time until what we consider to be the same old news, is reacted to quite differently by the markets. Since most people follow the stock markets as a general indicator of economic health, rarely do they focus on the markets that may lead equities one direction or another. In late 2007, it was the ABX and Corporate Debt markets that flashed the big time warning signs, and stocks cratered after.
When a trade has been working so well for so long built upon Fed guarantees and liquidity, I always look to see what may trigger the party's end. As a HF buddy of mine likes to say, 'it works until it doesn't anymore'.



Posted by idigress
Wed Apr 7th, 2010 12:02 PM
apologies for going off topic, but when you get around to it, would like to hear your view on inventory. not sure if that's maybe better to discuss after spring season, but would look forward to you posting about that if possible please. Thanks
Posted by Adam
Wed Apr 7th, 2010 01:52 PM
More to come:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/commerzbank-pulling-greek-repos-lehman-deja-vu-greece-shifts-full-blow-liquidity-crisis-mode
Posted by Noah
Wed Apr 7th, 2010 04:51 PM
idigress - I have ACTIVE inventory at 7,638 units. Its lower because of our new flow algorithims that remove redundant data that get through normal dupe rules. This is UP from about 6200 in early JAN and has flatlined the past week or two.
Posted by idigress
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 11:11 AM
Thanks Noah, appreciate the feedback. Will your new site break down that total number to neighborhoods, for example, Soho's Inventory, Upper West Side Inventory, Upper East Side Inventory. Overall while inventory is high, it's not as high as the end of 2008 seems like. I'm finding sellers a bit less flexible on price and am trying to guage how much room I have to lowball essentially on something I like very much. I don't want to tick the seller off so that they just won't deal with me which has happened on another property for me.
Posted by Noah
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 12:01 PM
yes, although data will be limited as user compresses to their submarket so not sure how charts will come out. Im curious myself. For now, final touches on data accuracy and timeliness are being implemented. data quality is #1 focus for past 9 months. No small task, Ill tell you that much. I have a new found respect for efforts of streeteasy to fix flaws in source data. I dont think people understand how these systems work and the issues embedded underneath surface
Posted by Marshall
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 04:13 PM
Noah when you do your stats do you break out new condominium units available and in contract. I was looking at the real deal they had some breakouts on the new construction 2008 2009 the numbers are down big time and i dont see the numbers getting any better in 2010 so it doesnt look like much new supply is being added to the market and with the lead times involved in adding new supply especially with the lack of construction financing there should be almost no new (new condo) supply for the next three years . It occurred to me the market must still be pretty soft considering there should be some absorption ? or should there be Is there absorption or do you see just more and more inventory of resales coming to market at what point should there be an adjustment three years of virtually no new product Keep in mind the projects that turn rental are pretty much frozen in the rental world
and have a real difficult time making it back into the for sale world.
Posted by liam
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 08:43 PM
And as the spread widens, how many CDS underwriters are facing increased peril we wonder. AIG went down last time; anyone not take the opportunity to unwind the way they should have?
On the other hand, how many firms are buying sovereign funds at higher spreads to drive the spreads up further, crashing the Greek debt so they can cash their CDS payouts?
Posted by Noah
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 09:38 PM
I think supply will be limited for a while, or at least constrained for a while due to lack of new financing for big projects in the years ahead and fundamentals. The numbers just wont make sense for many developers and lending capacity wont allow for anything close to what we saw in 2005-2007 for new projects. An adjustment to a different level.
in pending sales, new devs are treeated differently but dont want to get into details now. active, not yet.
Posted by In Debt We Trust
Thu Apr 8th, 2010 11:35 PM
The biggest irony here is that Turkey, Greece's historical archenemy, had been clamoring for years to get into the EU.
Notice how silent they have become about the issue lately? I suppose Turkish politicians have no desire to bail out their next door neighbors whose current woes stem from an arms buildup in divided Cyprus (Greece has fought a losing Cold War against Turkey over Cyprus for the past 40 years. Much of their current woes stem from the fact that an aggressive arms buildup against Turkey has in fact backfired spectacularly).
Why should Turkey want to join the EU when it is in a much stronger strategic position?
A few days ago, Greek bond salesmen tried to market their country itself as an "emerging market" nation to justify its sky high yields.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/5427bfe4-40f0-11df-94c2-00144feabdc0.html
But why would investors bother with Greece when Turkey offers so much more potential?
PS It would be interesting to see the side by side comparisons of Greek vs Turkish CDS spreads.
Noah, can you put something up?
Posted by Fred
Fri Apr 9th, 2010 10:04 AM
Noah - It sure is looking like the flight to USD safety trade is taking the back seat to PMs, namely silver, platinum and palladium. Copper is holding steady and the DXY is just, well, tired. Given that the short term Greece bonds spiked to like 20% this AM and Treasuries are selling off, could we be entering the parabolic phase for metals and materials????
If real interest rates maintain their rate of change, we could definitely see the 30yr mortgage at 6% or more soon - assuming of course that the Feds don't decide to start buying agencies again. My guess is if that happens, downward pressure on the the DXY will increase.
I know that most consider NYC residential real estate to be completely disconnected from everything, but the ULI has their new state of the market review out. The only thing missing from it is a bucket of blood......
Posted by Noah
Fri Apr 9th, 2010 11:32 AM
yes we could..I dont recall which comment thread I said this, but I discussed how we should watch what gold does once rates start to rise as part of end game..The short treasury - long gold trade as a texas hedge..
http://www.urbandigs.com/2009/02/how_in_is_gold_huh.html
gold could go parabolic if this continues and get quite silly for a while as trading forces kick in and speculators ride/power the momentum
Posted by In Debt We Trust
Fri Apr 9th, 2010 08:43 PM
Strange how the vix just keeps shrugging off Greece. Option spread makers cared about Greece in January but seem dismissive about it now. Just look how the bollinger bands have tightened.
http://stockcharts.com/h-sc/ui
Posted by mh23
Sun Apr 11th, 2010 09:09 AM
Hi Noah:
Nice post. I sold my Euo and UUP two weeks ago when the Euro hit 1.35. I missed out on some additional profits, but I just got tired with the tight trading zone and figured I would not be greedy.
Right now I think that oil, and especially gold is in the sweet spot. Look at how well gold has done in the face of a rising stock market and a rising dollar. Once it crossed 1140, I bought some GLD and some GDX because I think gold is poised to breach 1200 on this latest run. Oild is also in the sweet spot, if good economic news comes out, oil rallies on "recovery" and if the news is bad the market anticipates a longer ZIRP period and the dollar weakens.
So, I am overweight the oil and drilling names and gold, we will see how this plays out. Ultimately I am looking to see oil at over 90 at some point in the next month, and I would be looking to take profits if and when it reaches 97.
What do you think about gold?
Posted by Noah
Sun Apr 11th, 2010 10:46 AM
mh23 - good timing..was writing the new piece when you were writing this comment. check out the new post.
recall the emotional argument from last gold discussion here in FEB 2009 when I stated gold was NOT SO MUCH A DOLLAR HEDGE - people went nuts. Look at it now...dollar up and gold up! Clearly people will soon realize that different forces are work and the core of the gold trade is lack of faith in paper currencies as central banks everywhere are debasing currencies at same time against same forces. you cant print gold.
Posted by mh23
Sun Apr 11th, 2010 08:25 PM
Sorry about the redundant post on your other entry, I thought my comment on this one did not go through.
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Thu Aug 12th, 2010 10:06 PM
apologies for going off topic, but when you get around to it, would like to hear your view on inventory. not sure if that's maybe better to discuss after spring season, but would look forward to you posting about that if possible please. Thanks
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