Here Comes the Long Hangover..But First a Few More Drinks
I'm feeling better about the economy! Despite the fact that my wife was recently laid off and our world is being rocked by forces beyond our control, I am actually feeling much better about life for the rest of Urban Digs readers, in the short term.
I was driving back from a long weekend upstate when Bloomberg played some interviews with Timothy Geithner and the Maestro himself, Alan Greenspan. Geithner was interrogated by ABC's "This Week" interviewer George Stephanopoulis on the budget deficit and how the administration was going to deal with our staggering debt load. Now my predilection, from reports about Geithner prior to this crisis, was to like him. My understanding was that he was a fair-minded individual, firm in his convictions and adult in his conduct. But hearing him interviewed, I couldn't help but feel he was another silver-tongued bureaucrat (and apparently not always so). Despite being completely backed into a corner by the interviewer and asserting several times that "We will do what must be done" regarding not only decreases in spending but also the obvious need to raise government revenue, Geithner steadfastly refused to admit that taxes needed to be raised. He was clearly hiding behind the idea that once the economy is stabilized then we will do what must be done, when he said:
“We can’t make these judgments yet about exactly what it’s going to take and how we’re going to get there.”
That attitude unfortunately seems to embody a relentless optimism that still lurks in the American psyche - one that I am not sure is justified, given the financial pickle we're in. I see this optimism in banks that are routinely reporting much higher non-performing assets, but raising their charge-offs much less than those increases. It seems that they think that when they get the properties back and sell them, they will end up being made whole. This thinking rests on the idea of a durable recovery that boosts rents and convinces buyers to lower the risk premium they are currently demanding to provide liquidity of any kind in this environment. It also embodies a belief that debt to bolster purchases of assets will be made available, by someone whose balance sheet hasn't blown up (anyone fitting this description please contact me, particularly if your current plan isn't to sit on the sidelines for a good long time before putting any of your carefully shepherded capital at risk).
Of course, fixing healthcare was paramount on Geithners' list of what the administration hoped to do to address the long-term financial problems of the U.S., but paying for the "fix" was not something he would elaborate on. Geithner had only praise for even the detractors like Robert Altman, the past Deputy Treasury Secretary, and the office of OMB, who are challenging the fuzzy math on healthcare reform and deficit reduction. He explained why they didn't get it and the administrations' great respect for all dissenting opinions (at least when they come from persons who might matter to public opinion).
The Geithner interview was followed by an interview with The Maestro, who in his prior appearance averred that the financial system meltdown was by far the worst he had ever seen and still had a long way to go (this was of course right about the time of the bottom in world stock markets). I know it will come as a great relief to all of you that Greenie the Great One now says that "collapse, I think, is now off the table." While he worries about a potential double dip in the housing market which could cause "a significant acceleration in home foreclosures," Greenspan believes that we have likely already hit bottom on the economy and that we will soon see positive year-to-year growth in GDP, as soon as this quarter, albeit accompanied by continued, though decelerating, job losses. Greenspan, though noting Geithner's praiseworthy diplomacy, voiced certainty that the government will need to eventually raise revenue in order to fund the Medicare shortfall being imposed by the negative demographic effects of aging baby boomers. His belief being that the least-worst solution would be a VAT (value added tax). Greenspan also speculated that interest rate increases could be needed sooner than Ben Bernanke's forecast of a couple of years out.
So with the S&P 500 just points away from a 38% Fibonacci retracement of its recent crash, let's step back and reassess. Economies overshot on the downside due to the CNN effect of collapsing markets. Inventory liquidation, coupled with a lack of financing for big-ticket items, caused a draconian cutback in industrial production, well below even recession-adjusted demand. Let's do a little quick math on how this worked. As an example, in the U.S. we scrap about 12 million cars annually due to obsolescence and we add about 2 million new drivers each year, so base demand is maybe 12 million automobiles per year. If we knock 1 million off this for a wicked recession, we get to base demand of 11 million units per year. Now the rate of sales fell to an annual rate of less than 10 million earlier in the year.
With some rays of light on the economy shining through, some return of financing and the cash for clunkers program (pulling forward future demand), JP Morgan analyst Himanshu Patel says demand could rebound to a 13 million annual sales rate. This situation has occurred throughout supply chains across the world. Electronic supply chain management and just in time inventory practices almost assure that in a shock situation - which few would deny the Lehman/AIG/Money Market Funds debacle was - inventory and production will be cut well below sustainable demand, even when that sustainable demand has been significantly reduced.

As I have discussed here recently ( "Every Upturn Starts with Restocking") it's going to take quite a restocking effort to get back to a reasonable rate of economic activity despite the actual decline in consumer purchasing power. Not only that, as Greenspan pointed out in the interview, consumer purchasing power is highly variable, as the stock market has just re-instated some $3 trillion of consumer wealth that was previously taken away.
It is for this reason that I believe that we will see at least a couple of more quarters of strong economic rebound and one to two quarters of public companies surprising to the upside on earnings estimates. Let's look at the puts and takes:
Positives:
Inventory rebuilding
Continued stock market increase and wealth effect
Capital raising/balance sheet bolstering
Exports and commodity demand
Stimulus money still to come
Restructured industries regain pricing power/margins (e.g., banks, brokers, auto dealers)
Negatives:
My guess is that the stock market will begin to figure out that the opposing forces at work in the economy will result in very slow GDP growth and a modest future outlook, sometime before year-end and markets will begin to adjust. I don't think it will look anything like the bear market we have just been through, but it could be the beginning of a multi-year period of ups and downs, like the 1970s or the last Japanese decade. But first let's party like it's 1998, just one more time.Business cash flows which are paradoxically bolstered by declining needs for working capital while shrinking, start consuming working capital as they begin to gear up production again
Energy/Commodity cost rebounds
Interest rate increases
Increased savings rate
Continued losses on longer-tailed assets like real estate hamper banks' ability to provide credit to meet additional demand
Government size/budget deficit reduction a drag on the economy
State size/budget reduction drags
Higher taxes



Posted by Thisson
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 06:07 PM
Noah,
Sorry to inject a dose of reality, but if you think we are heading towards a real recovery, you are sadly mistaken.
There is nothing propping up the stock market right now but manipulation (both Government & Private).
The banks are *shamelessly* committing accounting fraud. There are many banks out there who are deliberately not foreclosing on homes because doing so would force them to acknowledge (and book) losses.
Similarly, there are many banks with HELOCs on their books valued at 80%+ of cost basis. Yet these same HELOCs are secured by homes that are underwater by 20% or more and where the 1st mortgage holder is not going to fully recover. In other words, these 2nd liens are booked at 80%+ when their true value is ZERO. Based on recent bank failures managed by the FDIC, the loss rates on bank assets are running at around 40% (according to Denninger's www.market-ticker.org). As a result, the FDIC is instructing banks to re-value their HELOCs so that the loss rate goes down when FDIC actually has to step in.
And let's not forget that there's also speculation the FDIC only has $8 billion left in its kitty and will soon have to ask Congress for another $500b -- as if there isn't enough bond issuance going on already? Who's going to buy all this worthless paper our Gov't is issuing?
Just this past week there have been large bank failures, and HSBC and Barclays have started making large write downs. Wave 2 of the bank failure is approaching as reserves for bad loans are increasing.
The market can stay irrational longer than we can remain solvent, but the truth will be revealed eventually. The debt dragging on our economy is no good, and it will be liquidated: the only question is whether it will be through default (cue deflation) or through monetization (cue inflation).
There is no way this economy is going to sail through both Scylla and Charybdis.
Finally, you should list the remaining stimulus as a negative rather than a positive, since this represents further mal-investment by the government (See, e.g., Cash-for-clunkers, which does nothing but borrow from future demand).
On the bright side, once the Government is forced to accept reality and stops intervening in pricing, the market will be able to efficiently allocate investment capital and America will once again prosper. I hope it happens soon.
Best wishes,
Thisson :-)
Posted by Noah
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 06:43 PM
Jeff wrote this piece. Dinner plans tonight, so didnt read this yet, but will tomorrow morning and comment/respond to yours after I see what it is in response to
thanks
Posted by MeekSheep
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 07:27 PM
Some companies are going to do alright despite what every bear wants to say while others aren't going to do well despite what every bull wants to say.
I do have to agree with Thisson in some ways, HELOCs and CMBS are still in a world of hurt, they just won't admit it. I hope the banks can offload as much high-yield debt as they can the next few months. It's over-priced. If they did, they might have to take more write downs. We all have to wonder, with rates so low for treasuries but still IG debt trading below par, albeit not by much, who is going to fund all that risk?
Posted by In Debt We Trust
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 08:24 PM
It's a liquidity driven rally. Too many dollars and they have to chase something. There is real demand destruction via deleveraging which has prevented consumer inflation. But as long as money is being pumped into the system, it's got to go somewhere.
As Zerohedge and other cynics (realists?) point
out, a lot of that money has gone into high beta assets like casinos, luxury retail, hotel resorts, etc.
We should see a dose of reality come holiday season - consumer retail may fall hard based on less spending. Expect to see slowdowns start in China where the factorious massess will be laid off when their managers realize that there are fewer orders to warrant jobs.
Posted by lars
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 10:55 PM
I don't understand why anyone is surprised by the current "positive" news. The government has committed to spend over $1 trillion in the last twelve months and the FED has artificially stimulated housing sales (at the low end) and the economy through holding down interest rates.
The problem will occur in the economy when the Government stops stimulus spending and interest rates continue to creep up given US government funding requirements.
This is all going to plan for a double dip. No one should be surprised.
The US consumer is tapped out and will not be able to lift its portion of spending; and as the consumer is 70% of GDP, nothing on the horizon looks good.
Posted by In Debt We Trust
Wed Aug 5th, 2009 10:57 PM
POMO (perm open market operations) highly correlated w/equity pumps:
http://evilspeculator.com/?p=9787
Posted by Noah
Thu Aug 6th, 2009 08:14 AM
Thisson - I think Jeffs articles is actually spot on and doesnt in any way call for a sustainable 'real' recovery, as you put it. His statement: "It is for this reason that I believe that we will see at least a couple of more quarters of strong economic rebound and one to two quarters of public companies surprising to the upside on earnings estimates."...I think proves this.
Actually I agree. Lets be real again for a moment here. The fierceness of the destruction was insane, the amount of stimulus was unprecedented, the stock market plunge was nuts, wall street was dismantled, and Armageddon was first on the table and now correctly seems off the table, and we are at now now (ill do a post on this later).
Downward revisions are showing the reality of the depth of this down cycle, as markets prefer to see this later rather than real time, and it already is the longest and deepest recession since the great depression, beating out the early 70s and early 80s cycles.
The pace of cutbacks, job cuts, inventory cutbacks, production cutback, etc. during the destructive phase that is now behind us was not sustainable. Plus the fiscal/monetary stimulus is kicking in and we have pipeline stimulus yet to come through that inevitably will. This spurt, while artificial and natural after the pace of destruction that we saw, may last for a while - perhaps 3-4 quarters - and it will feed on itself as it is now with equity rally fueling optimism and likely spending.
Your points are well taken, and I agree with you, but I think the negatives may reveal itself at a later date, thats all. Thats the argument, timing! the double dip or issues you raise may come into play AFTER this growth spurt matures and that could be well into 2010 or 2011, perhaps 2012, who knows! I would think earlier than 2012. But yes, that didnt go away and unintended consequences of actions taken to stem this crisis are yet to even begin. For now, its party time.
Posted by thisson
Thu Aug 6th, 2009 09:02 AM
Fair enough, if he's not calling for a sustainable recovery, I'm aboard. I'm just not committing capital to a market that looks blatantly rigged, and I'm not alone.
However, I do not agree that armageddon has been taken off the table. I believe it's been swept under the rug and will resurface again later.
Posted by jeff
Thu Aug 6th, 2009 09:40 AM
Folks,
Thanks for the feedback. I think the title of the piece says it all. A few more drinks...then the real headaches will come. We still have to unwind massive consumer debt and bad commercial real estate and LBO loans. The government can only afford to stimulate for so long and will eventually have to raise taxes to pay the bill. I am entertaining (not convinced of) a Japanese style lost decade rather than Armegeddon II right now, but only because of my faith that in the next couple of years real green shoots of American ingenuity will grow big enough to cushion some of the downside and because our creditors have shown they will forebear.....because they have to.
Posted by James
Thu Aug 6th, 2009 09:45 AM
Hi Noah/Jeff,
Great website and insights from everyone at Urbandigs. I thoroughly enjoy your analyses, but I feel like there is not enough thought on how to correct/fix our problems.
So, now that we all agree that our economy is in the crapper to some degree (some people say more, some say less), what can we do to better our situation?
I think much has been said about how American consumer mentality has changed and that people have started to save more. That is a great start, but I doubt that this is enough. Is our problem a leadership issue, derived from a congress and president that has lost touch with the people? Is it more of a cultural issue as our country has grown too rich and decided importing everything (from energy to mere trinkets) would be alright in the long run? Has America become blinded by success that we think its okay to pawn off our technology at mere pennies (software, healthcare technology, entertainment industy, etc.), which in the future will be the main driver of our economy?
How can we motivate the leaders of our country and our people to make decisions that are best for our nation>?
Posted by jeff
Fri Aug 7th, 2009 12:34 PM
A few thoughts on improving the country
Our government was built to move very slowly in order to prevent radical changes that could put a despot in power...power corrupts etc, etc. Unfortunately in the age of Moore's law our government is just too slow. Part of the Obama healthcare plan being debated now is looking to allow the administration to monkey around with various plan changes to see what works and is efficient, without having congressional votes on every idea they try out on a small scale. This just underlines the point that our government is not structured for the kinds of rapid changes that occur in the world and the need to be flexible and move quickly. We need a serious restructurring of our government including a deep dive on ways to streamline legislaltion and weed out corruption. Congressional term limits anyone?
Second - we have lost the battle for commodity manufacturing jobs, because we pay people too much to do it and we will never pay them less. Other countries will use these jobs to catapult themselves up the economic ladder as China has. Vietnam is now beating the tar out of China in low end manufacturing because they pay workers even less than the Chinese. We should focus on higher value items, product development, marketing, creative, etc. We need to have an iron will in not allowing China and others to subsidize capital equipment intensive businesses where wages are much less important. We let Japan, Korea, China and others get away with stealing the semiconductor business (and potentially solar) and various other process manufacturing businesses from us by subsidizing the acquisition of capital equipment by their companies through cheap loans and allowing or encouraging dumping. We need to start shedding light on where we are just getting beat and where we are being ripped off. Beware, the next generation of jets could be from China, not from Boeing if we are not much more careful.
We need to promote immigration, not discourage it. Our population is aging as is Japan's (they are already doomed), China (also doomed), Russia (doomedski) and much of Europe. The U.S. has the ability to import youth and brains and we should do so aggressively.
We are failing to use government initiative to move our technology businesses ahead. At least in the 1970s we had large companies like AT&T, IBM and Xerox doing very long-term research and development. All but IBM have dropped out. We had DARPA and the defense industry as well, moving technology forward that is now being widely used Gallium Arsenide chips, wideband communications, Very Large Scale Chips, Very dense storage, etc. We need to really get our long-term research capabilities moving again or we will lose out on the chance to re-invent our economy again as we did in the 1990s, based on superior IP. This is why the biggest and most profitable companies in the world are still mostly U.S.-based. We need to be much more serious about not letting other countries steal our IP, which we have continued to allow, China being the latest.
Posted by Donald
Sat Aug 8th, 2009 08:11 PM
Noah,
Did you get my e-mail (it's the one from the viking AOL account)? Your e-mail is noah @ urabndigs, right?
Posted by Noah
Sun Aug 9th, 2009 08:24 AM
yes, I did...out of NYC right now..will check when I get back.
Posted by Fred
Sun Aug 9th, 2009 03:47 PM
anybody have any intel on 808 Columbus? they claim they can't give more than 2 months free rent on a $5,500 / month (very small) 2 bed - 850 sf. I wanted to laugh when the broker showed me the space. i have a hard time believing that these guys are actually renting units at their ask given the amount of construction going on up there.