3-Month Reflections: Those That Wanted To Buy, Did....
A: I think its safe to say that the 'pent up' demand from the brutally slow Q4 2008 - Q1 2009, re-entered this market over the past 8-12 weeks and made their purchases. Many brokers I speak to are telling me that their most motivated clients already signed deals and now its feeling a bit more like summer again - as in, the change in the past few weeks that is typical of the transition to seasonally slower summer months. Make no mistake about it, I think the pent up demand for the most part pulled the trigger over the course of the past 12 weeks. This is very clear when looking at 'inventory' and 'contracts signed' trends since early May or so. In fact, the action over the past 2-3 months was more typical of the bubbly 2007 levels; as I'll get into below w/ contracts signed data. But for those that come here for real time conditions, combined with a little gut feeling, my opinion is that the wave of activity has peaked and that we are now slowing down the way it usually does for summers in Manhattan. Take the buy side motivation and general activity down a notch or two from where it was in May and June and adjust expectations on both sides of the market. This observation/opinion should not be a surprise to anybody and reflects the seasonal nature of this market.
When I look at my internal systems, I see there were about 2,120 contracts signed in the past 8 weeks or so dating back to the last week in May for Manhattan co-ops and condos - two weeks ago I checked this same data trend and it was closer to 2,350 when comparing the last 4 weeks to the 4 weeks prior, so you can confidently say that the bulk of the activity was in May and that it is now being timed out of the recent data trends. If you look at my ticker for 30-DAY contracts signed, it is just under a thousand. However, I rely more heavily on the internal sharing systems when it comes to contracts signed data - as the source is direct with the agent that is maintaining the listing and when a contract is signed, usually the broker doesn't want to deal with 'other co-brokers' anymore!
Looking back at the past 8 weeks (limited by data I have available to me), 2,120 contracts signed is quite a lot! Its as if we saw peak-type levels of activity in the past 8-12 weeks or so with the first wave down in prices for our market. Talk about buyers coming in! But I don't think the 'fierceness' of this action is sustainable and the past 2-3 weeks already seems to me to be more like summer - slower buy side requests and motivation to pull trigger down a notch or so. Lets just be real, if this pace of action were to sustain itself, that is an average of about 1,060 contracts signed per month putting us on pace for over 12,700 contracts to be signed for all of 2009 - a level that was achieved at the height of the credit boom in 2007 for Manhattan. Trust me that is not going to happen! The spurt was due to a combination of factors that I discussed before and is our markets way of equalizing itself after a sharp drop in prices and a subsequent shift from Armageddon to well, something brighter. We are at now now. The perma-bears expecting a one shot move down 50% were wrong and the perma-bulls that promised sideline buyers/foreigners would never let this market down were wrong.
This dropoff in activity is a normal thing and these are observations that I, Noah, one man in a big industry, currently sees out there right now. Manhattan is a seasonal market and we are normally slow during the summer. Adjust accordingly if you are a seller that must sell and are noticing a tick down in traffic from say 6-8 weeks ago.
Looking ahead at what this spurt of action will do to future reports, you should see a tick UP in sales activity (especially as the prior quarter saw the 50% plunge in activity so the future quarter will easily look way more positive in comparison), contracts signed, and perhaps even deal levels from quarter to quarter as this market seemed to price OUT Armageddon - so the bulls, brokers, and execs will likely have some supportive quarter-to-quarter data coming to build bottom call arguments in Q3 or Q4 in comparison to Q1's ugly discoveries. For me, I need to see fundamentals improve before jumping on that ship; so Ill remain considerably less bearish than I was only 18 months ago now that process has started, yet still cautious that the economy and likely our market may have another wave to deal with.
Breaking down the activity, most of the deals were for 1BR and 2BR properties, with 3BR properties seeing a nice tick up in action as well. The biggest driving force? Cheaper prices, hands down.
Like I said, I feel that most of the people that wanted to buy, did. So where does that leave us now looking ahead? Well, that's the story. You cant look ahead by peeking into the rear view mirror, which is what you would be doing if you look back at the past action to try to predict future activity. So, I think we have a period of normalcy ahead, seasonality if you will, where this market will naturally slow down a bit until after Labor Day or so. I would expect:
a) contracts signed going forward to drop from past monthly levels - not quite as low as Q1 but not quite as high as Q2
b) new listings hitting the market to slow down a bit as sellers wait for seasonally more active months to maximize profit potential
c) properties to be taken off the market for various reasons if seller couldn't sell and doesn't have to
d) listing inventory to muddle, if not, rise a bit with the slowdown in action that is typical for this time of year
The wild card is equity markets affect on confidence and how that may make some view our markets - especially the higher end that got hit the most. This stock market is reflecting a stimulus induced recovery that who knows how long can last - the amount of stimulus is unprecedented. Its very likely we see the effects of stimulus on economic data in 2nd half - perhaps further boosting confidence. The loop can feed on itself and that may lead to higher stock prices and higher confidence for businesses. My fear is that stimulus induced economic recoveries are usually both not sustainable and not without its unintended consequences from financing them. For now, people just want the reflation party to roll on and stocks to rise making everyone feel a bit wealthier. After what we just went through, can you blame them? Party on Wayne, party on Garth!



Posted by Potential Buyer
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 01:45 PM
I agree with you that the fundamentals in NYC have not improved yet. I know a number of wall streeters who are still unemployed and my own job is not completely safe as the possibility of more layoffs exists. The stock market's rise doesn't make sense to me. Given all of the above, I don't understand the significant uptick in signed contracts.
Do you think this is a dead cat bounce or has the NYC market hit bottom? Also, what do you think the effect of large Goldman bonuses (and maybe other wall street firms) the end of this year will have on the Manhattan real estate market.
Posted by yenn
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 01:59 PM
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Posted by AvUWS
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 05:26 PM
Noah, we need to add another element to headwinds facing pricing in NYC real estate (especially high end)and that is the tax environment. Marginal tax rates in the city look to be closing in on 60% (plus a few more percentage points added to the employers portion).
Posted by JR
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 06:10 PM
Noah - What do you make of the recent chatter about a wall street bonus bounce in light of Goldman's 2Q earnings?
Posted by Stage in the Cycle?
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 10:30 PM
I like to go back and read blog postings/comments from 2007/2008 to watch the cycle build steam and then evaluate the comments against what ultimately transpired. One example would be the post(s) from this site about the asset cycle.
I would argue we are between capitulation and despondency on the curve heading into the second half of 2009...
http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/06/enter_the_hating_asset_cycle_r.html
If it took so long to go from optimism to euphoria (and we went so far up), the wave and correction down should be just as long - or longer - right?
Posted by OT
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 10:59 PM
Off topic, but that won't be a first, and in keeping with AVUWS's post. Just watching Buffett on CNBC and he stated that the top 400 earners in the US last year bore an average tax burden of 17.1%. This was apparently 12% higher just 15 years ago, so in his opinion too much has been done for high income earners. Without introducing opinion to this discussion, can someone please explain how this is possible?
Posted by OT
Mon Jul 20th, 2009 10:59 PM
Off topic, but that won't be a first, and in keeping with AVUWS's post. Just watching Buffett on CNBC and he stated that the top 400 earners in the US last year bore an average tax burden of 17.1%. This was apparently 12% higher just 15 years ago, so in his opinion too much has been done for high income earners. Without introducing opinion to this discussion, can someone please explain how this is possible?
Posted by Noah
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 10:19 AM
PotentialBuyer - sorry, was busy all day yesterday. Rather then look at it as a dead cat bounce, id rather use the phrase 'countertrend pickup in activity embedded in a longer adjustment process'.
it may muddle here or even improve slightly for the next 2-3 quarters. i think another wave will come but something will spark that, who knows what. you know my thoughts on WAVE 2. but banks raised ton of money and stimulus is kicking in and earnings are topiing estimates that were drastically lowered, and funds rates is 0%. how can these guys not be killing it. but they are in repair and refinance and recapitlize mode and that is what fed wants. how long does it last? they made have raised/earned enough to get by the next 12 months before other crap starts to affect their balance sheet and funding operations again.
i think we are in year 2 of a 4-5 yr debt deflationary cycle - not quite as long or bad as TGD, that lasted what, a decade? I think next wave will come but it may be way more further out than I first thought. so manhattan can muddle or eevn improve in between, but i think we have to face the music at some point and then ill get more bullish on price appreciation for this market via a longer term sustainable trend
Posted by Noah
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 10:22 AM
AvUWS - just a very real, relevant and likely concern. I will want to hire a guy for this site moving forward to deal with tax issues and other city funding/budgeting conditions. That happens to be one of my fears as a consequence to stimulus/action taken to stem this crisis. Unintended of course. People dont want to hear about that - potential for higher rates/taxes.
will get into detail in future
Posted by Noah
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 10:25 AM
JR - not much. its not industry wide, and job losses are negating any positive from GS potential record bonuses. May liquify higher end a bit now that they got clobbered, especially if prices get slightly more attractive come bonus time. But not market moving.
the industry still is likely to undergo regulation that will constrict the potential for boom style of jobs/salaries/bonuses...that party wont be back for a loooong time. Its just a new world, that we will have to adjust to. Saying GS record earnings will sustain prices back to peak levels, is way way way off base in my opinion. Macro fundamentals, broadly speaking for our market, are way too pressured to have that outcome in near future
Posted by Noah
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 10:31 AM
Stage of Cycle - great question. How about this. I would argue this is not a normal recession like we are used to seeing post ww2...
i think this cycle will play out in waves. i think we are in a countertrend up move that may lie between HOPE-RELIEF-OPTIMIS, closer to RELIEF maybe. Let it continue for say another 3 quarters and stocks actually rally 10% more, and you will easily get to OPTIMISM!
THEN, I think we will get the 2nd wave and investors, banks, people will get caught blind-sided, as they always do. One more wave down to despondency and depression, where hope is figured to be lost, and you have your point of maximum financial opportunity. Thats my latest, updated, thoughts on the medium term, based on what i see out there. This is more bullish than it was only 4 months ago. I didnt expect the relief to kick in so deeply, but i think it is.
Posted by jay
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 11:22 AM
Is it at all possible for the city to say,
"Hey, we're over budget and out of money, so
we're rescinding or amending all those 421a
tax abatements we've given all you condo buyers?
Posted by Donald
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 03:29 PM
That would be breach of contract Jay.
Posted by In Debt We Trust
Tue Jul 21st, 2009 08:17 PM
You know, the Chinese are asking the same questions as Manhattan buyers:
http://mpettis.com/2009/07/notes-on-a-real-estate-trip-in-china/
"I don’t know how much you travel around China. Tom and I do a fair bit, and most recently we were in Guiyang. I thought I’d seen insane excess in the past – 200 thousand square meter malls completely empty next to apartment complexes with 40 thousand units and 30% occupancy rates, etc. etc. But what we saw over there is rather hard to fathom"
Posted by RegularAnon
Wed Jul 22nd, 2009 10:50 AM
Regarding the stock market -- the key is when all your neighbors are pulling their money out of the stock market -- it is time to begin thinking about putting your money or more money into the market. When you start seeing them pour their money back into the market? Time to get worried and begin thinking about taking money out!