Reuters Talks Hit To Manhattan RE
A: Manhattan's bullet proof armor is starting to show some weaknesses as the main stream media starts to pick up on the lagging nature of our adjustment! That's one big thing with real estate, its very lagging! So, stay tuned to sites like UD for real time reports, but be prepared that what you read here may not show up in reports for a good one to two quarters! Plus, the media may pounce on lagging data and Armageddon discovery giving a misleading picture of the current health of our markets. As I noted before, we need to get through the Armageddon price discovery first before we see just how much of a stabilization occurred with the 40% equity rally and the media induced 'green shoots' reflation mentality for buyers. Just as the media enhanced the move up, it may have the same effect during the correction process.
Reuters discusses, "Is the housing bust about to take Manhattan?":
New York City real estate prices are looking increasingly shaky as instability in two of the city's sexier submarkets -- second homes in the Hamptons, and new condos in Manhattan -- register the latest signs of a housing downturn.Oh, it was much more than just the elite that argued why Manhattan was immune to any slowdown, how the foreigners would always save us, how the weak dollar would always make us attractive to outsiders, and how supply could never grow for this market limited to a measly island! Amazing how things change when people realize that markets will do what markets want to do, and they usually follow the macro fundamentals. It gets tricky and ugly when you start dealing with unsustainable gains due to temporary credit bubbles that are blown up by the lovely engineers at the federal reserve! Of course, this crisis went much deeper than just the fed and every bank wanted in on the credit bubble that earned billions in fees from an originate-package-sell securitization model - giving a loan to anybody with a pulse. Well the party was fun until everyone was drunk and the music stopped! It always does.Back in town, the number of sales in new developments dropped a whopping 71 percent in April from a year earlier as condo developers enmeshed in complicated financing arrangements have been slow to slash prices even as the market corrected all around them, Kim said.
When the rest of the country was watching new neighborhoods begin to disintegrate into foreclosure ghost towns in 2007-2008, Manhattan landlords would still publicize new buildings by hosting parties featuring pop stars, sushi and girls twirling hula hoops in a bid to convert still-airborne Wall Street bonuses into down payments.
Today, that bonus pool has dried up amid job and compensation cuts in the financial services sector that drives the city's economy. The elite in the real estate industry had once hoped Manhattan could escape relatively unhurt as other housing markets suffered. But the collapses of financial powerhouses such as Lehman and Bear Stearns destroyed such thinking.
Back to Manhattan. Whether you believe it or not, this market started to trend down in Spring 2008 or so as the first signs of how bad this credit crisis finally sunk in - even though at the time, many still believed the fed rescue of Bear Stearns avoided all systemic risk and that the worst was over. Boy were they wrong. I wrote about the change in psychology on the buy side in detail in my July 7th piece, "Low Ball Bids & Cold Feet". I couldn't get more specific than that folks! Putting yourself back into time & place, most brokers assumed that if it didn't happen in Manhattan by that time, well, it just wouldn't happen! Hopefully many learned a lesson that nobody is bigger than the markets and that nothing goes up in straight line forever!
So what has happened? Well, the first wave down occurred after Lehman failed and sales volume plummeted for about 5-6 months - say from mid SEPT to early MARCH. That was when bids were hit and people began to realize something has changed in this local marketplace. Inventory rose, sales volume dove, and to move property you had to offer quite a discount from peak trades to entice a buyer to put their hard earned money to work at a time that was far from certain! Its all about the buyers and buyer confidence, always has, and always will be. If you focus on the sell side or supply only, you may be missing something. For example, if you looked at inventory levels 7 weeks ago you would have noticed that we were near our highs and assumed that the market was dead. But that was not the case at all and in fact buyers started to sign deals in droves as the equity rally, reflation trade, and first wave down complete combined forces to add certainty to buy side psychology in the asset. In short, buyers got way more confident putting their money to work. Today, you see the net result of this action as the lagging nature of contracts signed finally made their way into inventory numbers - giving us a drop of about 6-7% or so in the past 30 days. This is a combination of sellers removing unsold inventory for the summer + the accelerated pace of activity following the first wave down to a comfort zone.
Before we get excited, know that we have to go through the discovery period of those difficult months + we need to go through the 'taking out' of the new dev effect on Manhattan price data. The latter is something I will discuss in more detail later - but dont forget, what comes in will ultimately come out and we already went through the positive effects of all those new dev closings, now we will get to see pure existing resale reports without the uumph that defined most of 2007 and 2008 data. That is why I wrote, "Why Manhattan Price DATA Will Stay Strong in 2008", last April:
How could prices rise as sales volume slows and inventory rises? The reason is because the prices component is NOT registered until after the deal closes; some 1-3 months generally from contract signing! For new development deals, a contract can be signed over a year in advance of the closing. Which leads me to tell everyone that 2008 will see the closings of thousands of new development units that were signed into contract in 2007!Soon we will get Q2 data and I expect a solid uptick from Q1, which the brokers, streeteasy commenters, and media will of course base new bullish arguments around that the bottom is in and that all is well moving forward. But the real juicy analysis will be to compare Q2 of 2009 to past Q2's, on a year-over-year basis. Real estate is seasonal, and as such the data must be seasonally adjusted OR compared y-o-y to cancel out month to month noise that may be misleading. But, people will no doubt take advantage, which is fine and part of the natural order of markets. In the end, the markets will still do what they want regardless of anybody's banter.
QUESTION: How will the prices paid, especially the price per square foot paid, ultimately affect future quarterly price reports for Manhattan?ANSWER: Positively! As new dev deals close, it will help to offset any weakness that may be occurring in the current existing resale marketplace causing a misleading and mysterious report that probably will not be in line with the sales volume & inventory trends at the time!
There will be a time to discuss a sustainable recovery both for our local economy and our local real estate marketplace; for now, I am less bearish now that the process has started but I think we still have some issues we must face and I discussed them plenty on UD - including unintended consequences from actions taken to stem this nasty crisis. When things do improve, we will see a big time exit strategy from the fed and regulation both on wall street and on the banking system to make sure a parabolic credit boom never happens again; at least for a decade or two until we forget and need a way to make more money. For now, there will be deals at every price during the adjustment and nothing goes in a straight line. Real estate tends to be like a tanker, taking time to stabilize and turn around. So, focus on the things that make for good decision making and don't buy just because you think prices will surge 20% in a year! A home is becoming just that again, a place to live and not a ATM machine that can be speculated on for 100% appreciation in 3 years time - although you will ultimately see nice returns for vulture investors that are gobbling up foreclosed properties in very hard hit markets for 30 cents on the dollar. Markets working as they should.



Comments (11)
Nice catch Noah - saw that this AM too. There's also a Fox interview with the Real Deal talking about ghost bldgs out there as well.
The difference in this cycle is that it probably will not fit very well into the "cycle" category when it's all said and done. Manhattan is on the slow train to reversion to the mean, where it will stay for a while. The entire industry is upside down and will stay that way for several years. The next stop is unfortunately going to be a degradation in the quality of life standard: crime, spray paint, bored kids roaming the streets and (more) smelly subway cars. Oh wait, it's all going to cost a lot more to boot. I am starting to see average quality 2 beds on the UWS asking mid 800s but well under $1,000 / sf. I kind of laugh at 3 beds sucking their chest in as they fantasize about getting more than a $1mm on their ask. When we've got relative calm, average asking prices in the $500 / sf range and a lot of choices, then we'll be at a point when we can start to think - rationally - about price appreciation.
Posted by Fred | June 15, 2009 1:31 PM
Fine by me, Fred. We had saved up enough money for a down payment (20% on a $400K place), closing costs and 10K in reserve cash leftover yet found out we don't have enough money to buy an apartment in NYC (2 years carrying costs... call me a neophyte to the NYC RE). See you in a year and a half when we have it saved up!
Posted by reddog2669 | June 15, 2009 2:10 PM
Noah - Where do you come down on the "inflation trade," both in real estate and in general? Seems to me inflation requires banks to start lending all those available dollars and they won't until broader economic recovery gives more confidence that they will actually get paid back, and we seem to be a long way from that point here.
Posted by mph | June 15, 2009 7:16 PM
mph - i think inflation will show up first and foremost in energy, food, metals, raw commodities, and health care...taxes will rise. i think the first form of inflation will be the unintended variety, so to speak. Hard to say any other way. It will be side effect of this crisis and actions taken to stem it. Healthy economies dont need stimulus and there are no free lunches
Plus, this is a deflationary episode and that will offset any inflationary pressures a bunch. The nature of this crisis is that more wealth is being destroyed, than is being printed. Yet people only look at the printing, and not the huge void it is being filled into
I dont see wage inflation, or housing inflation, if that is what some mean. At least not in the first phase. Perhaps the latter will prove a great hedge against inflation, but after the asset class is pressured a bit by squeezed and indebted consumers. Right now we are seeing the investors, funds, speculators roar back in gobble up foreclosures. But that is self limiting, and unsustainable after a while.
as for banks lending, they are still hoarding and velocity is still way way down. if our fractional reserve system is not maxing out the multiplier effect of money, we wont see such huge sums of newly printed dollars actually entering the system. this is the big variable that the fed is most concerned about, imho
Posted by Noah | June 15, 2009 7:44 PM
fred - its a great point and people know that my biggest fear is both a rise in crime, homelessness, and a perception and worse off, actual change in perceived quality of life here. it doesnt have to actually change, it can be perceived to be changing and that could affect us. psychology is a silly thing sometimes. it took decades for people to 'feel' safe living above 86th street and then up to 96th street on east side. weird how that changes with time and the generational element at play there.
i wonder if higher rates, taxes and perhaps maint may be the 3rd and final leg down the road for our local marketplace? hopefully not!
Posted by Noah | June 15, 2009 7:50 PM
Like them or not, the Wall St influx of money post 1990s helped gentrify much of NYC. For Manhattan, this meant taking it all all the way to the Heights.
Throw in the Gen X hipsters and you had a formula for pushing back the urban blight that affected much of the city post-1980s.
The problem is I don't see a similar generational shift in adventurers moving into the city. Not when unemployment remains high and there remains a glut of newly built housing (not so much in the city but elsewhere in the suburbs and surrounding areas).
Oh, yea. Property taxes are rising too.
Posted by In Debt We Trust | June 15, 2009 8:05 PM
I have been using our "old" building as a benchmark of where the market is today. We sold in September 2007, in hindsight at the top of the market. (We are now renting.) Thanks to Street Easy, we can keep an eye on "asking" prices and "sold" activity in our old bldg., a boutique condo on the UES. From what we have seen, the lowest priced comp from our sold property is priced at maybe 5% off peak. (this does not take into account variables such as renovations and view.) The larger units reflect a similar position, hardly a budge from peak. I don't have the time to scour all the other listings available today. Maybe there are some bargains out there. But for the most part I am not seeing them. It certainly seems like the real estate market has a ways to fall, considering the drop in the financial markets and job markets. The Reuters article seemed like a big D-OH to me. I will be patiently awaiting on the sidelines...
Posted by Otto | June 15, 2009 9:55 PM
I hear you Otto. I see the same thing. Sellers are holding on to their asking prices hoping for I'm not sure what. What has changed is that all these asking prices are VERY negotiable. Look at ACRIS to see actual closing prices - they paint a very different picture.
Posted by LP | June 16, 2009 9:59 AM
Noah, just a quick note. I have been walking in Central Park almost every morning with my dog for the last 3 years. During the last 2-3 months, this previously pristine park has started to show signs of the city's economic downturn. There is now garbage splashed around, uncut grass fields that was previously always manicured, and dirty sidewalks. Signs of quality of life shifts? Think so.
Posted by lisa | June 16, 2009 11:42 AM
As a long term resident of Stuyvesant Town, I can definitely see a deterioration with the upkeep of the grounds and the general level of maintenance. Now this could well be down to Tishman/Speyer leveraging themselves up to the hilt and not having any cash to run the complex. This could also spill over into the East Village and surrounding neighborhood. With regards to quality of life, there has recently been an increase in muggings.. even during daylight hours!!!
Posted by loath_Tishman/Speyer | June 16, 2009 4:23 PM
Lisa - my worst fear. I hope its not a trend!
Posted by Noah | June 16, 2009 5:05 PM