Price Flooring? Will Boards Try To Stop Price Discovery
A: I have been hearing stories lately about co-op boards rejecting purchase applications because they think the price is too low and may adversely affect future valuations for existing shareholders. I for one do not dismiss such rumors that quickly because of their source, past experience I have had with co-op boards, and colleagues of mine who I know and trust. In times like these co-op boards have a big problem on their hand regarding where to draw the line. Since the co-op board is comprised of, wait for it...., co-op shareholders, there is a vested interest in seeing price appreciation go through and avoiding what may be considered aggressive price deterioration because a shareholder must liquidate their shares. With the mortgage market significantly tighter than it was in the boom years from natural deflationary market forces, how will boards adjust? Will they loosen up guidelines if they were traditionally very tight? Will they tighten up guidelines if they were traditionally very loose? And most important, will they reject a purchase application because the price is deemed too low; a form of price flooring policy?
This is one of those 'look ahead' pieces that describes what ultimately will be an unintended consequence of a declining market. Like I discussed a year and a half ago, when the mortgage markets began to seize up causing the bid for RMBS to disappear, I thought there would be a problem with future new development closings, "New Dev Closings: A Potential Problem?". Well, now I seriously wonder about this co-op laden city and to what extent the boards of private corporations (buildings) will influence their power to 'further protect shareholder interests'.
When a neighborhood is dealing with foreclosures, the nearby homes that are in good standing start to seriously worry about the negative pricing effects that come with mark-to-market price discovery of that bank-owned auction. How will it affect homes next door? Down the block?
While Manhattan is not dealing with a foreclosure problem right now, I am hearing stories of co-op boards tightening up and being on guard against sales that are deemed 'too low' for current market conditions. Granted, these are just stories and I have not had a co-op board rejection to deal with personally, but I could see the potential problem. What rights do the co-op boards have to block a transaction based on price alone? What legal actions may be taken if a transaction is blocked? How will future buyers perceive the building if they will not allow market forces to determine value?
These are the important questions. Certainly boards will not intervene if the price was too high, because hey, that means the board's holdings have risen in value and everybody likes asset appreciation. But asset appreciation is hardly a term to be used today.
The Co-operator lists LOW PURCHASE PRICE as reason #9 for a co-op board to reject a purchase application; here are the rest of the reasons:
1. Financials
2. Job History
3. Bad Credit
4. Pied-a-Terre
5. Guarantor
6. Life Style
7. Home Work
8. Failure to Fulfill Additional Requirements
9. Low Purchase Prices
10. Pets
11. Noise
12. A Poor Interview
The problem is that co-op boards will be filled with people of vested interest in avoiding price depreciation; especially if a board member owns a similar line as the one in question. This is not a new phenomenon and Jonathan Miller would expect it to occur again.
In the NY Mag article, "Co-ops create new conundrums", Miller states:
"I'm finding co-op boards to be even further behind the market than sellers," said Jonathan Miller, president of appraisal firm Miller Samuel. "That's going to be a continuing problem during this period."Now, I have heard of old stories in the early 90's of co-ops amending the by-laws of the corporation to set a minimum floor on the value of its shares, to protect the value of other shareholders' investments. But I have no idea if this is in place today, especially after the boom this market has experienced when credit went parabolic.
The practice of rejecting buyers because of their proposed low purchase prices occurred frequently in the recession of the early 1990s and continued sporadically as home prices in New York skyrocketed. Now, it's becoming more common as prices begin to dip again, Miller said. "Boards are turning down deals that are selling too low," he said.
Price flooring is not new; the question of legality and if its good policy is an ongoing debate. The one legal case I could find about this was discussed in a 2001 NY Times article:
Bruce A. Cholst, a Manhattan co-op lawyer, said that there has been only one reported court case that addresses the legality of minimum-pricing policies.
In that 1995 case, he said, the court held that a co-op board does not have the authority to reject sales whose contract price is below a predesignated level.
''The court concluded that such a practice constitutes an impermissible restraint upon a shareholder's ability to sell his unit,'' Mr. Cholst said. Mr. Cholst added, however, that since the decision was from a Westchester County trial court and was never appealed, other judges in other courts are not legally bound to reach the same conclusion.
''And I believe, as do many of my colleagues, that the court's reasoning was flawed,'' Mr. Cholst said. ''Since the establishment of a floor price does not actually serve to prohibit the sale of an apartment, the practice should not have been viewed as an illegal restraint against transferability.'' In fact, he said, as long as floor-price policies are enforced in a nondiscriminatory manner, they would appear to constitute a legitimate exercise of the board's business judgment and should not be subject to judicial second-guessing.
My two cents? You can NOT place limitations on the open market - and that includes price flooring policies! If a seller is distressed, and must sell below a price floor, what will happen to shareholders' maintenance when the unit owner goes into default? It will rise, and that will negatively affect all shareholders and market value of all units with the now higher carrying charges. The co-op board has no business trying to control sales prices. The market will do what the market wants to do, and meddling with open market transactions to 'protect shareholder interests' will do more harm than good. Another NY Times article titled, "Should Co-op Boards Set ‘Floor Prices’?" adds these three arguments:
It is an open secret in New York that some co-op boards have adopted what are known as “floor prices” — minimum sales prices for apartments in their buildings.There will be cases of this no matter what anybody says because greed sometimes overpowers rational thought. Hopefully the members of a co-op board review prospective purchase applications rationally, and it wouldn't hurt for them to get a lesson on what is happening in the broader market so they are prepared for what future purchase applications may bring. Losing today's price means potentially getting a lower price down the road!
“It is understandable that shareholders want to keep the value of their shares as high as possible,” Mr. Sonnenschein said. “But the business of a corporation does not include trying to maintain the value of its shares.” He contends that doing so is “basically a form of stock manipulation.”
Aaron Shmulewitz, another Manhattan co-op lawyer, disagreed. “I don’t see why co-op boards should not be doing this,” he said. “Board members have a fiduciary duty to protect the financial interests of the corporation and all its shareholders. And allowing sales for below-market value would damage the financial interest of the co-op and its shareholders.”
Arthur I. Weinstein, a Manhattan lawyer who is a vice president of the co-op and condo council, said that while he believes boards have the power to impose floor prices, this power should generally not be exercised.
“The co-op board should not be trying to second-guess the marketplace,” he said. “And the marketplace determines what the value of an apartment is.”
It is up to the listing agent to educate the board and consider submitting a written listing history with the board package. Tell the board how long the property has been on the market, where the original price was, number of price reductions, traffic procured as a result, number of open houses held, and even marketing strategies to show the board members that the transaction price was a function of current market conditions. In the end, the market will do what the market wants to do. Outside meddling by anyone, especially co-op boards, will prove counter productive and do more harm than good for the seller and the rest of the shareholders of the corporation. Condos are not affected by this problem because of the nature of real property transactions and the boards right to first refusal. If a condo deal is deemed to low, the board can decide to purchase the unit using reserve funds, matching the deal agreed upon between seller and original buyer.



Posted by Donald
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 01:20 PM
In the co-op on the LES I used to own at, which had a very high flip tax, the board would reject sales if the price was too low because they would assume that the seller was taking money under the table in order to limit their portion of the flip tax. And personally, I think the board has a right to reject sales if they suspect there is money transferring hands under the table because I know of a sale in which this actually occurred in.
Posted by Noah
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 01:27 PM
well that is definitely something the board should look into then, if a deal is designed to bypass coop by-laws
Posted by MortgageDons
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 01:49 PM
Coop boards have been, and will continue to slow the path to recovery NYC real estate needs.
The comment above by a coop attorney is rather frightening:
Aaron Shmulewitz, another Manhattan co-op lawyer, disagreed. “I don’t see why co-op boards should not be doing this,” he said. “Board members have a fiduciary duty to protect the financial interests of the corporation and all its shareholders. And allowing sales for below-market value would damage the financial interest of the co-op and its shareholders.”
Who is to determine the market value? If an appraisal is done that supports the contract price, then the unit is not being sold below market value. Yet now, the all-knowing coop boards can come in and set their own pricing? That's ridiculous, and in effect places coop boards as the number one determining party of market value. Also, doesn't fiduciary responsibility include ensuring that units are being transacted upon through the use of true market indicators, not the opinion of what a unit should be sold for?
Take the flip side of how a coop board kills transactions. So now the coop board succeeded by shutting down a deal because they felt the price was too low. The next step now that the price level needs to satisfy a specified floor makes it more difficult to find buyers with financial and employment history/status to get approved to purchase a unit priced at the increased level.
Noah is absolutely right that the listing agent will play an important role in communicating with the coop board. After waiting for 3 months to close on a coop unit having been cleared to close by the lender, the coop board declined the buyers because the husband was self-employed. I felt the listing agent did a very poor job of supporting the buyers, and also did a poor job of communicating to the buyers that the board may be overly stringent. In the end, the buyers wasted 3-4 months of their time waiting to close, not looking for a new place, and the sellers of the unit had to fight to get their downpayment check back from the unit they were moving into once the sale closed.
Coop boards already meddle in the background of the proposed buyer. If given the authority to dictate the seller's agenda, coops will become a scary place.
Leave it to NYC coops, as the depression hits, they still think they can find insulation.
Posted by Bill
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 01:53 PM
Wow, amazing, I'd been wondering about whether co-op boards would in fact stifle sales as prices come down, now I've got my answer. Yikes.
Posted by brian
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 02:55 PM
Interesting - is this playing an active role in "propping" up Manhattan Real Estate Prices and not leading to price deflation (except for the high end of course?).
I was curious if anyone out there is familiar with co-op financing - I was just told by Chase that they had instituted a 0.75% add-on to mortgage rates for co-ops, specifically, at the 80% equity level. This was in reference to a re-Fi inquiry, but it also seems like a way to really but a crux in selling (or buying) properties in the city; if the mortgage is automatically 0.75% higher for the co-op on the UES than the condo in Hoboken, seems like it's a plus for Hoboken...
Posted by Former Seller
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 03:08 PM
How could prevention of such a practice can be legally enforced? I'd imagine board approval for a prospective buyer often comes down to subjective criterion. If the motive for rejection is really price, can't a board just say they didn't personally like the buyer and close the case? It sounds more to me like 'collective anchoring' with no legal recourse for an individual shareholder.
I've had no experience with coops before, but I would think that the concept of board rejection based on price is a moot point. Is this not the case?
Posted by buyer
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 03:21 PM
Great blog Noah. Some frontline reporting. I'm continuing to watch a few boutique new build condos in and around Chelsea (and I've attending quite a few openhouses over the past 4 weeks).
I've been a little surprised to see remaining units actually go into contract in the past months. Developer has cut prices by about 20% from 07/08 peak, but still surprising too me that these puppies are selling at over $1000 per sqft.
Posted by MortgageDons
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 03:53 PM
Brian - I can tell you anything you want to know about coop financing.
There is no over-riding guideline that yields a coop's rate to be .75% higher than a separate property type. What has been recently introduced by Fannie Mae is a .75% hit to price (not rate), for condos and coops that have a loan-to-value over 75%. From an interest rate standpoint, that likely increases the rate .125%-.25% unless the buyer/home owner wants to pay .75% of the loan amount as a closing cost.
Note that this Fannie Mae policy is for both condos and coops. The result is that a Single Family dwelling has better financing options than a condo or coop.
Posted by Freddie
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 07:01 PM
Boards can reject any buyer without giving a reason. It would be prudent of them to never give a reason.
Posted by alan
Mon Mar 16th, 2009 10:16 PM
I'm having a hard time believing that the vast majority or co-op boards can get their acts together enough to attempt to block a qualified buyer because the price is too low.
The lawyer's argument about fiduciary duty is plain wrong. The Board has a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders to keep the co-op in good financial condition. They don't have a responsibility to preserve the paper wealth of the shareholders per se. In fact, if blocking an otherwise qualified buyer results in damaging the co-op's cash flow (by keeping a motivated seller in the market to the point where he starts to miss maintenance payments), then the co-op's actions would be contrary to their fiduciary duty.
Additionally, boards don't have crystal balls. Any Board would be ill-advised to block a sale to a qualified buyer because they think the price is too low. In a year, they may look back at that price and wish they'd taken it.
Posted by anon
Tue Mar 17th, 2009 12:04 AM
I just sold my co-op. got a decent price -- 2006 prices pretty much. I would have been pissed if somehow my co-op board blocked my sale for not getting top dollar. I understand their desire to keep prices high...but i'm not sure how they think they would be able to pull it off -- i honestly don't think they would be able to manipulate the price of their units. In fact, if it became known that it was difficult to sell a unit in that building it may further depress the value of the units in that building. (at least it would be for me). Ultimately policies like these would NOT keep prices high -- it would simply keep the market illiquid -- a buyer is not going to pay more simply b/c the board dind't like the sales price.
Posted by anonymous
Tue Mar 17th, 2009 02:06 PM
“But the business of a corporation does not include trying to maintain the value of its shares.”
How can you write this? This is exactly what corporations do all day every day.
Posted by Noah
Tue Mar 17th, 2009 03:08 PM
ANON - I didnt write that! Mr. Sonnenschein did, as quoted in the article from the NY Times piece.
But I do think that blocking a transaction because price seems too low for board members to handle, will negatively affect the value of shares in the long run. Why? Because what if that seller defaults on future maint payments? What if they cant get a higher price later on? What if they default on mortgage payments and bank moves to sell? What if a lawsuit is filed by the shareholder?
That is not an action that protects the value of shares. Just my opinion, but still, I didnt write that statement you quoted!
Posted by Steve
Thu Mar 26th, 2009 05:34 PM
How can I find out who were the plaintiffs and the defendants in the 1995 Westchester County Case?
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Tue Jan 25th, 2011 09:05 PM
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