Jeff's 9 Predictions for 2009
So it's that time of year again, when bloggers and commentators the world over issue their predictions for the coming year. I thought it would only be fair to rate last year's performance, while I speculate on 2009. You can find the complete piece here....just to keep me honest.
#1 In late 2007 I predicted that "The U.S. will enter a recession." It was not a wildly contrarian call at the time, but I did say that "We may already be in it." My timing wasn't bad. The National Bureau of Economic Research, the official arbiter of recessions, stated a couple of weeks ago that the recession started in December 2007. My prediction for 2009 - MORE RECESSION! Really ugly in the first half, with the potential for a positive GDP quarter in the second half driven by government spending and easy comps, but 2010 could easily see a relapse of negative GDP for a quarter or two.
#2 Last year I also said "The dollar will remain weak, but will start to stabilize." I stated that this would be driven by weakening foreign economies. I got that call right, but also speculated that foreign investment in US assets would help, if it continued. I don't think it really has. Foreigners want to buy US government debt, even at negative rates of return, because the U.S. is the most politically stable economy in the world, one of the most transparent (scary as that sounds in the aftermath of Madoff with the money) and one of the most proactive when disaster hits. The dollar is a "safe haven" if you will, although it may be less of one than ever before. The dollar will continue to see inflows from wealthy people worldwide who are scared to death to own anything else....except maybe a little gold. While countries like China foolishly try to devalue their way into competitive prosperity, I predict a relatively stable dollar for 2009.
#3 For 2008 I predicted "Strong Manufacturing/Exports" - I think this one turned out to be about half right. It worked for the first half of the year, but crumbling world economies and a 16% trade-weighted rally in the dollar have started to chill exports since the summer. With 19% of manufacturing now going towards exports, the slowdown is going to sting. Of course, the domestic side has been slow for three years, so one would think it would not have too far to fall, but I predict that the auto industry debacle will result in a horrible year for manufacturing.
#4 Last time around I wrongly opined that "Commodity & Agricultural Prices Slow but Stay Firm." I did write, however, "I wouldn't be surprised to see a jaw- dropping correction in commodity prices in the first half." This is why I am not George Soros....my timing is always a tad early. If you had been short commodities in the first half you would have gotten your head ripped off. The second half collapse was also far worse than I expected. Frankly, I didn't have the guts to make a loud contrarian call on the BRIC nation economies at the time. But I did make a bunch of negative calls on emerging markets soon thereafter, starting with China. My call for this year is that the Russian, Chinese, Indian and Brazilian economies are gonna break down like a soup sandwich in 2009. Investors will start to say "Next time I mention the BRIC investment strategy, throw one at me!" Watch out overhead for falling oligarchs, conglomeratures, sultans, dictators and assorted banana republic-type billionaires. These guys were largely over levered to commodities and in hock up to their eyeballs, a combination that any Comex or Chicago Merc trader would tell you to avoid.
#5 I was early and accurate on one of my calls last year predicting "State Fiscal Crunches." For this this one I give myself a little gold star...and a cupcake which I am going to eat right now. The unfortunate thing is this is only going to get worse in 2009 and I see increased tax burdens coming for sure. They will be sneaky, strange, and irrational and will have UNINTENDED CONSEQUENCES. The New York State proposed "iPod tax" for downloading audio or video makes all the sense in the world to me. I will also make the bold prediction that services will be cut universally.
#6 In late 2007, I predicted that "Foreign Visitation Will Continue to Flourish." I will claim technical accuracy on this prediction. Through the first half of the year, tourism continued to come on strong. But by October, the city's tourism office, NYC & Company, was revising down the estimated number of people traveling to NYC in 2008 to 47.3MM, or 400,000 less than the 47.7 million initially expected. If this number proves out, the growth rate will have fallen to 2.2% from levels ranging from 2.8% to 7.1% in the prior five years. For 2009, my prediction is for a significant decline in NYC visitation, maybe 5%. This ain't gonna be good for all the new hotels being opened. According to John Fitzpatrick, Chairman of the Hotel Association of New York, "Our industry is already grappling with a twenty percent decrease in hotel revenue over last year, in November alone." The President & CEO of the Fitzpatrick Manhattan hotel group made the comment in response to word of a plan to significantly increase the city's hotel tax.
#7 Did I mention that sometimes I hallucinate? Apparently I was last year when I wrote that "Availability of Business Loans Will Be Strong." I guess if the BRIC countries had held up and exports had remained firm, this would have been somewhat more of the case. But SBA loans started to plummet earlier this year, in line with declining availability of business credit of all types. Today, SBA loans are becoming even harder to get due to new regulatory changes. These loans are one of the primary ways that entrepreneurs fund start-ups and that folks fund the acquisition of small businesses. Since small business formation often helps lead the way out of recession, you can understand why I am not at all bullish on an economic recovery. My prediction is that 2009 will not be a good one for small businesses, due to tough economic times and a shortage of capital, but by 2010 things should be truning the corner.
#8 Stocks Will Bottom in 2009 - Yes, I am bearish on the economy, but pretty neutral on stocks. I think there will be one more hair-raising sell-off (it will be much less impressive in terms of volume and fortunately I have hardly any hair left to raise), which ends the hedge fund liquidation process and the final towel-throwing by individual investors. Coming out of the bottom, small cap growth stocks will outperform because the premium put on any kind of sustainable growth will be huge. No one will care and only the intrepid and/or foolhardy? will profit. I think the economy is going to be moribund for years, but the debt liquidation crisis will end next year and hence stocks, which always look forward by 6 to 12 months, will bottom sometime in 2009.
#9 - Inflation will be nowhere to be seen in 2009 and 2010 - I don't care how many dollars we print. The complete destruction of commodity and manufacturing-levered foreign economies will cast a pall over "demand for stuff," particularly raw materials worldwide and pricing will be horrendous. Hence, despite all efforts to devalue the dollar and cause hyper-inflation, it won't happen in 2009 or 2010. Deflation will continue to be the bugaboo as the financial system continues to work through the ever-growing mountain of bad debt. Money is being destroyed faster than the government can print it. Next up is commercial real estate followed by municipal debt and corporate debt. By the time that's all over there will be only relatively less debt liquidation to worry about.
Bonus Prediction - 2009 will be the year that New York City residential real estate catches down to the rest of the country. I will wager that by June people will be calling the New York City residential market a disaster area and prices will be down 30 - 40%. For those looking for shelter it will be time to start looking around.
Of course it goes without saying that if you keep reading Urban Digs that you will not continue to have whiter teeth, fresher breath and be a hit at parties again in 2009. This prediction of 2008 was so dead on that I think you can just depend on it for the foreseeable future.
Have a Happy & Safe Holiday Season



Comments (17)
Wow, dire predictions indeed. Do you really see a 40% collapse in Manhattan prices? Would you include prime areas (UES, UWS) in that prediction? I noticed that the StreatEasy inventory is back below 9000 (although not as a result of sales activity), and know that new construction in Manhattan is basically non-existent for 2009. I realize we are already down 15-20% but I am hearing from broker friends that there is a ton of interest chomping at the bit and that Spring may not be as bad as envisioned. You have called for an L shaped recovery beginning in 2010, are you still standing behind that?
Posted by OT | December 23, 2008 11:25 AM
Main reason why Manhattan RE is heading south: real estate values are at best a reflection of the larger economy and, at their worst, a gross exaggeration. May I humbly suggest one last prediction:
10) 2009 will see a retiring of the theory that NYC real estate is somehow magically decoupled from the overall economy.
My big wonder is how will a total collapse of the $1.5mm to $2.5mm segment affect the sub $1mm one beds and walk-ups? Intuitively the impact should be linear but we may be surprised and see a disproportionate reduction in pricing for the higher end stuff; in which case, will we experience a period in which larger units are broken up to feed the studio and one bed markets? I've long thought that $500 PSF is the magic average but if the city starts to feel like its falling apart, it could get much worse.
Posted by Fred | December 23, 2008 11:52 AM
OT - just remember jeff wrote this, mine coming but it is similar
Posted by noah | December 23, 2008 12:30 PM
OT - We are already down 15 - 20% on reported sales. A 50 to 60% decline in prime neighborhoods is going to happen.
Posted by On the Sidelines | December 23, 2008 2:00 PM
I started talking about a decline of buy side confidence around AUG 2007, or a few weeks after the credit crisis hit the 2 Bear funds.
http://www.urbandigs.com/2007/08/does_investor_psychology_matte.html
The decline in prices in my opinion NOTICEABLY started around JUNE/JULY 2008 or so, with low ball bids and buyer cold feet...
http://www.urbandigs.com/2008/07/low_ball_bids_cold_feet.html
By SEPT 2008, in my opinion, we were down like 5-10%. When Lehman failed in Sept, and AIG was rescued, buyers just disappeared and the market really became illiquid. From this point to now, we were prob down about an additional 10-15%, totaling 15-25% that I have said recently!
This is all NOT SURPRISING if you read my real time reports here, that I write for you guys based on what I see out there.
Posted by Noah | December 23, 2008 2:28 PM
I strongly doubt we are going to ee 50-60% declines in prime neighborhoods. That is absurd. The only way that would happen is if we had a second Great Depression.
Posted by Donald | December 23, 2008 2:54 PM
I dont think we will either Donald. Prime will get hurt, not to that level, at least from the view on things based on information available right now.
If a few big banks were to fail, if our currency would collapse, well, then everything will get killed. Based on actions taken, Im not sure this will be that bad, but that doesnt mean it wont hurt.
I think once we reach the 30-35% down level, the pace of the deterioration will slow a bit, and we will trickle lower for a while after. But who knows what may happen when desperation hits and there are NO BIDS!!
Cant rule anything out given whats going on right now
Posted by Noah | December 23, 2008 3:16 PM
Let me be clear I think the 30 - 40% markdowns from the peak will be by distressed sellers. Will that be the average decline for all prices among all segments, I doubt it. My guess is the hardest hit will be the $2 - $5 million range where Wall Street bonus money was key. The low-end will probably hang in there better down 25% or so. I do believe that new construction will slow to a trickle and will eventually help the market bottom out....but it could take a few of years before prices start to rise again, due to the economy generally, rates eventually rising and a lagging increase in Wall Street employment.
Posted by jeff | December 23, 2008 3:49 PM
I hope your right about there being no inflation in 2009 Jeff. Because I know the Peter Schiff gloom and doom crowd would disagree with you.
Posted by Donald | December 23, 2008 5:25 PM
I agree with Jeff that 2009 wont be inflations wrath. I think a year or two more down the road it very well might be. But we still got deflation to deal with. A parabolic credit boom and housing boom and debt boom, I just dont see us stopping deflationary forces after 1 year.
Posted by Noah | December 23, 2008 5:36 PM
The only way we have inflation is if jobs and income return to prior levels, which they will not. There simply is not the demand for it.
I agree with Jeff that inflation will not be an issue for some time.
Posted by anon | December 23, 2008 5:39 PM
Some rightards believe the predictions, they put thing in the wrong order as usual. Prediction: "America to become a battleground for terrorists" This I believe is a result of BUSHtards and his supporters' aggressiveness in the past. So to say "Invading IRAQ is not a bad idea" that's a stupid and illogical view. That is the root cause of the next problem in America.
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Posted by hesslei | December 23, 2008 11:53 PM
Clarification please: what is the starting line for all these predictions of declining prices - 15-40% down from today's prices, or from the start of the decline in mid 2008? Are people predicting a further 40% fall or a total fall of 40% (or whatever) from peak?
Posted by RZ | December 24, 2008 2:08 AM
Clarification please: what is the starting line for all these predictions of declining prices - 15-40% down from today's prices, or from the start of the decline in mid 2008? Are people predicting a further 40% fall or a total fall of 40% (or whatever) from peak?
Posted by RZ | December 24, 2008 2:10 AM
I would say 40% from peak.....with peak having taken place maybe 5 months ago.
Posted by jeff | December 24, 2008 3:15 PM
I am not familiar with the market. But from reading from newspaper, I think the stock market has bottomed and it is rising back up. it is a slow and gradual process.
Posted by How to Make Money | May 4, 2009 3:35 PM
Well the year is about to end again. Surely time pass by so fast. Maybe you could do another one for next year. =)
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