Adjustment Phase Will Reveal Skinny Dippers

Posted by Noah Rosenblatt on November 20, 2008 at 10.36 AM

A: As the first stage of the adjustment is underway in Manhattan, we get our first glimpse of who was swimming naked. Lets face it, Manhattan is not rampant with speculative flippers or shady subprime borrowers, but that doesn't mean distressed sellers won't rise to the surface here. With the market highly illiquid right now as buyers back off, sellers that were overexposed, over-leveraged, lost their job, bought on the currency trade with expectations to flip at a profit, or just scared about the future, aggressive price reductions are the only way to move property. As I said before, I think the level that deals are happening at right now puts the market down about 15%-18% from peak levels. Illiquidity being the main reason. Hindsight will probably show the peak being contracts signed in early-mid 2007; with delayed new dev closings skewing the actual peak.

skinny-dipping.jpgThose who signed contracts for new development as the market was near its peak, had to sit tight and wait to close on their property before putting it back on for resale; if that was the plan originally or if the plan changed during the 'waiting period'. With the credit crisis beginning in mid 2007, some 'in contract' buyers were helpless to do anything about their pre-crisis purchase other than to make the tough decision to walk away and surrender their 10% deposit.

I think we will see the sharpest adjustment from peak levels in these forced resales of very expensive new developments first. It's early in the process, as most will choose to wait for things to improve before forcibly selling their property in a tough market.

Just the dynamics surrounding the transaction process for a new development, make it the most exposed to the downturn when buyers simply disappear. Why? Because not only were these products very expensive, with closing costs some 1.5% above a resale condo's closing costs, but the contracts were signed well in advance of the closing as the buyer waited for the building to be completed. This means signing the dotted line for a product before the credit crisis began, waiting to close as the market deteriorated, and pushing back the ultimate resale until AFTER the Manhattan housing market turned illiquid. In addition, foreigners buying on the currency trade with the intention of renting out or flipping for a profit, tended to buy new developments that were marketed directly to them. Second homes and investment properties are usually the first large assets to go on sale when financial distress hits home.

For this discussion, lets take a look at Ariel West, a luxury new development in the Upper West Side that started closings in late 2007, to see what I mean.

Take a look at what appears to be the first resale at Ariel West, Apt. 7-C:

ORIGINALLY CLOSED ---> January 10th, 2008 for $1,558,000
ASKING PRICE TODAY ---> November 16th, 2008 asking $1,450,000

First let me be clear that this is NOT occuring en mass yet in Manhattan, and in fact this is only one of a few new dev resales that I am finding with an asking price below the closing price. Clearly the property is at least trying to be marketed aggressively, ahead of the curve to get a deal done. This apartment probably went into contract in early 2007, before the crisis began and reflects a price near peak levels just under $1,200 per square foot. If the seller didn't have to sell, they probably wouldn't. But as is the case even in the Manhattan market, there are always a number of sellers that must move their property.

This property is currently being listed at a 7% discount from the closing price. But where will it sell for? Its a problem of lack of bids that describes this marketplace right now. There is a big difference between what a property is asking and what it ultimately sells for, especially in a illiquid market like today. In addition, add in that the original buyer probably paid about $85,000 in buy side closing costs, and will have to pay about $100,000 in sell side closing costs (assuming 6% commission and a full ask deal), and you are looking at a minimum loss of approximately $300,000 or so on this transaction from beginning to end.

The adjustment has begun and I have a feeling we will be seeing noticeably more new development resales come to the market. Not all will aggressively cut their asking prices, as most buyers-turned-sellers will try to test the market and recover some transaction expenses in the deal. It is only when desperation hits and the property MUST be sold fast, that the aggressive reductions begin. Seller psychology is a strong force and things like denial & price anchoring tend to take over their minds at first. Nobody wants to hear that the market has weakened or worse, that the market has become illiquid. Nobody wants to hear that they may have to take a loss on the property. Nobody wants to hear at what price will result in a quick sale. My mother sold her house on LI after 11 months at a 25% discount to where the house was selling for in late 2005. It took here 7 months to realize the reality of the situation, at which point, it became a process of finding out where 'true value' actually was. In declining markets, this process is painful, emotional, and feels like it will never end.

The market does what the market wants and nothing I say here will change that. I just tell it like I see it, regardless of how that may affect my own personal business. Right now, we are in the process of finding out what the market feels is a proper valuation for an apartment in a market with clear near term challenges. And nothing I say here will change this or enhance this process. In other words, me writing this article is not the reason any apartment is not selling for a higher price!

My advice to sellers:

a) fight denial and recognize that the market has changed; this is the first step
b) do NOT anchor to peak prices; this will be counter-productive
c) do NOT believe any broker that promises you an extraordinary price because they are the best and they know how to market a property the 'right way' to get 10% more profit than other brokers. In the end, buyers dictate the value of your property and it is only worth what someone is willing to pay, NOT what a broker working on commission trying to get that exclusive listing agreement signed says its worth
d) price ahead of the curve; rather than test the market and play catch up via reductions as inventory rises and the local economy deteriorates further
e) only YOU know how quickly you must sell, so do yourself a favor and anticipate a longer time on market if you start at a higher price. The last thing you want is to put yourself in a position where the property must be sold within 1-2 weeks, because you tested the market first and wasted valuable time that you could not afford

If you have to sell, you have to sell. Period. Hopefully you have enough equity in the property so as to cushion the blow to your originally expectations on what your place is worth. Every seller, including me when I sold my place, thinks their place is worth top dollar because of the renovation work you did and because of the memories experience in your home. Buyer's do not care about your memories, they rarely love every single renovation you did and often have plans to change the place to their own taste, and are very savvy about what is going on right now in the world. The greater fool theory should not be counted on to save you and procure a deal above peak levels. Its a slowdown, it has to happen, and there is nothing wrong with discussing it openly. Adapt accordingly and don't fall for any dirty tricks.

Comments (17)

Noah, very insightful post!

On the other side of the equation, why should/would anyone pull the trigger on an apartment in NYC now? Leaving aside unexpected triplets or in-laws moving in, it seems that *gasp* renting might be the better option.

What kinds of forces other than improving economic fundamentals can sellers leverage to get a bid under their place?

Posted by jj | November 20, 2008 11:30 AM

JJ - thanks. "why should/would anyone pull the trigger on an apartment in NYC now?"

That is the psychology that has led to a severe decline of buy side confidence and contributes to the market being illiquid (no bids) right now. When I say no bids, I do not mean that zero deals are being done, I simply mean that for most actively marketed properties, bids are NOT coming in! Of course some deals are happening, but the sales volume is way down.

As to what forces may lead to getting a bid, I hate to say this and its the wrong reason, but if the stock market rallies 20%, some buyers who were waiting to pull trigger, may FEEL a bit more confident and submit a bit, albeit a low bid, because they feel a bit wealthier on paper. Thats the only force I can think of. The other forces are only going to get worse: job losses, budget deficits, retail closings, etc..

Posted by Noah | November 20, 2008 11:35 AM

"but if the stock market rallies 20%"

Do we really believe that a 20% rally is possible or sustainable in currect conditions?

A lot more bad mojo is headed our way. With the haphazard behaviour of the Fed and Treasury - there will be no bottom. Meaning we don't really know. And more people are listening to Roubini and expecting things to get worse.

I don't understand the logistics and rational to a V curve recovery.

As a potential buyer I just don't feel any pressure. With rental properties sitting empty and landlords giving away fees and months. Where is the incentive for the buyers?

As far as bids: based on "neartermseller"'s experiences, it appears that the going rate to insult sellers is ~20% off ask. I remember the days when putting in a bid at ask was an insult.

What happens when buyers start insulting sellers at 30% - 40% off ask?

Posted by Jose R | November 20, 2008 12:44 PM

Noah:

Great post. This post just showcases that you are in the top rank of real estate professionals in the city in terms of your analytical skills, knowledge, compassion and particularly integrity. I hope that when I decide to re-enter the market, you will take me on as a client. Regards.

Posted by SRealist | November 20, 2008 2:15 PM

Great article. The hard part sometimes is getting sellers to understand a 'market' and the concept of pricing ahead of the curve. Here in Minneapolis we are seeing sales numbers finally increasing, perhaps cleaning up some of the foreclosure volume out there. Perhaps the first glimmer of hope of things turning a bit?

Posted by Nate@Eden Prairie Real Estate | November 20, 2008 2:34 PM

Jose - well hte question was what if any forces would lead to someone putting in a bid. A 20% rally, while WRONG, is the only force right now I can think of

Posted by Noah | November 20, 2008 2:37 PM

Srealist - Thank you thank thank you! This is why I blog and hearing that makes the time worthwhile.

Of course I will be here to assist when you are ready.

Posted by Noah | November 20, 2008 2:38 PM

Hey Noah, what are your thoughts on mortgage rate spreads? Arent those at historical highs and isnt the govt trying to get those to come in? Would that cause buyers to enter the market? What sort of a move in those spreads do you think would justify someone entering the market and say buying 5% below listed levels?

Posted by AA | November 20, 2008 3:02 PM

Spot on Noah - I am an atty. and have several clients who are simply walking away from enourmous deposits for new developments where the contract was signed before the downturn began and are ready now.

Posted by jn | November 20, 2008 4:16 PM

Regarding the opportunity cost of putting cash into real estate or "missing" a rally in equities, it may make sense to think about it another way: no stock market rally, definitely means real estate goes further south, at least in NYC. Sellers would be excited to see stocks rally since at least their target audience would have something with which to buy.....or what am I missing here? Mnahattan's uniqueness truly derives from the amount of money that flows around the island. It's starting to really "feel" dry out there. Go into any restaurant and the staff basically thanks you for spending your money....

Posted by Fred | November 20, 2008 4:57 PM

You guys see this Real Deal article?

http://ny.therealdeal.com/articles/new-manhattan-housing-data-provides-window-into-bleak-fourth-quarter

"Manhattan data compiled by the appraisal firm and released yesterday showed that the volume of signed contracts in September and October plummeted roughly 75 percent from the same period last year.

"It's pretty unbelievable," said Jeffrey Jackson, a principal at the firm.

He estimated that roughly 50 to 70 transactions are being signed per week in Manhattan, far fewer than in previous years.

The number of recorded sales in Manhattan in 2007, for example, was a record 13,430, according to city data, yielding an average of 258 sales per week."

ONE WORD --> ILLIQUID!

Posted by Noah | November 20, 2008 5:24 PM

AA - what do you mean 'mortgage rate spreads'?

Mortgage rates are stubbornly high, even with aggressive fed rate cuts, and huge credit facilities to ease this crisis. credit indicators have come in big time, as a result mainly of CP facility and TARP, but started to get worse again a few days ago.

If your question is will buyers come in if rates come down, my answer would be NO. Prices need to come down, confidence needs to rise, and jobs need to secure. Thats what needs to happen.

Posted by Noah | November 20, 2008 5:30 PM

Spot on with your posting today Noah. I'm a potential buyer who is still out and about actively looking at resales in new developments.

It amazes me that brokers can stand there at the open house and try to convince you that a property that closed in 2007 is now worth more than its 2007 closing price. Example, a 1000 sqft 2 bed 2 bath in a newish development in Chelsea is on the market for $1,500,000. It sold for $1,250,000 in mid-June 2007. Nothing special or unique about the place. Simply incredible denial on the part of the broker and the seller.

Posted by realestater | November 20, 2008 5:39 PM

AA - here are staggering numbers regarding the spread you mention:

Between yesterday and today, 10 Year UST rallies over 550bps, agency notes rally 50bps.

The government backed away from the idea of purchasing MBS and the spread is reflective of that.

There is only so much mortgage paper Bill Gross and John Paulson, seemingly the smarter Paulson, can buy to tighten that spread.

Posted by MortgageDons | November 20, 2008 6:53 PM

AA - here are staggering numbers regarding the spread you mention:

Between yesterday and today, 10 Year UST rallies over 550bps, MBS rally 50bps.

The government backed away from the idea of purchasing MBS and the spread is reflective of that.

There is only so much mortgage paper Bill Gross and John Paulson, seemingly the smarter Paulson, can buy to tighten that spread.

PLEASE - all mortgage seekers must avoid tracking the 10 Year Treasury as a gage for consumer mortgage rates. There never was a direct relationship, and certainly today it cannot even be used as an indicator.

Posted by MortgageDons | November 20, 2008 6:58 PM

A good example of someone swimming naked can be found here:

http://www.brownstoner.com/forum/archives/2008/11/advice_for_a_fr.php

You know it is really bad in NYC when sellers start asking for help on blogs because they have gotten NO OFFERS what so ever, even though they are willing to entertain ANY offer.

Posted by Anon | November 20, 2008 8:01 PM

Noah
Get ready for approx 25% walkaway rate. Miami is very well into our adjustment and 25% seems to be the number that developers won't say aloud.

In many of the cases (except for super-prime units/developments) the decision for contract holders to walkaway has been the right one.

Posted by Kevin Tomlinson | November 20, 2008 9:53 PM

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