Talking Out Loud

Posted by Noah Rosenblatt on June 13, 2008 at 8.46 AM

You know, I want to switch it up a bit and just talk out loud for a discussion today; I'm warning you its a bit longer than normal so have your cup of coffee handy. These are some crazy times, I must say. While the Manhattan real estate market softens, and yes it has softened as buyer confidence declined, lending standards tightened, rates ticked up, and inventory jumped, my business is quite strong; the last two weeks felt like wall street bonus season for me. I have this blog to thank for that I guess and that means I have all of you to thank. But just because I'm busy, doesn't make the entire market a frenzy, as we saw from The Real Deal's survey of brokers last week! What is really going on out there?

Almost every broker I speak to is experiencing softness in some way, shape or form compared to this time last year. That in and of itself should not be a surprise to anyone reading this, but when it comes to my feelings about it, here goes.

First off, inventory surged since DEC 2007 about 40% or so until about 3 weeks ago. So what happened? Did listings just stop coming onto the market OR did sales volume begin to tick up? In my humble opinion, a bit of both. Nothing goes in a straight line forever, and that includes inventory trends. We just jumped 40%, thats 40%! Of course a pause, or even a retracement isn't out of the question here or healthy. But I think there's a bit more to it. The seriousness of a seller is starting to show right now!

If you have to sell, it will show. Other than that, listings have tamed down a bit heading into the hot summer slow months, and perhaps those sellers that tried to test the market during this past sluggish wall street bonus season are giving up and removing their listing from the open market. One thing is for certain, this summer will be slow all around. Sellers will find it slow because of the seasonal component, and buyers will find it slow because options aren't growing! Get used to it. Expect inventory to waddle around 7,500 and then tick up a bit as we get closer to the end of the year. I also expect sales volume to be on the lower end, proven at a lag of course.

In regards to the stock markets, well we just had a 900 point selloff in the past 3-4 weeks. That's quite a shock to even novice investors and a noteworthy negative wealth effect for those that count on their portfolios to decide their max budgets in real estate purchases. But where do we go from here? Honestly, I'm confused right now; which is why I covered about 75% of my short positions and mostly in cash right now. I do know that inflation is about to rear its nasty head starting in July as the seasonal adjustment trick is no more. And evidence of this is being shown in the bond markets as yields rise, pricing in a rate hike campaign by the fed. The question isn't one of IF, but WHEN. Personally, I feel like the economic weakness is just about to really show (as we see the damage from the credit hurricane), so I don't see the fed hiking rates so quickly. Which is good and bad. While lending rates might have relief days ahead, for a short while, it is at the expense of a very weak economy (after the rebate stimulus effects pass that is).

Do not discount the negative effect that higher yields are causing right now. Lending rates are surging, banks profits are being crunched, and money in general costs more to borrow. As to commodity inflation, we are yet to experience the side effects of $135/barrel oil, trust me! That will come in future inflation datasets for sure, and our fed will shift bias real fast! When a fed hikes rates because they are forced to with rising inflation pressure as opposed to overheating growth, that's a problem. Why? Because it will hamper the recovery that didn't happen yet!

When I see reports that mortgage equity withdrawal (MEW) is down 60% from Q1 2007, courtesy of Calculated Risk, I see the credit machine for growth broken. When I see a shake-up in Lehman, only weeks after the CFO assured us all is well, I see a crisis in confidence. When I see lending standards tightened across the board, after 4 years of easing standards, I worry about future growth potential and availability of credit for investments. Did I mention MEW (chart below from Calculated Risk)? MEW is that little thing homeowners do to pull out money from their homes equity and spend it; so yes, down 60% year-over-year is noteworthy.

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This is a significant amount of money that is simply gone, and not available for use either now or the near term. What's the lag time? As a CR commenter asks:

Bob_In_MA: And the lag time for MEW/spending is probably 2-3 months, right CR?

CR: Bob_in_MA, maybe even a little longer. MEW appears to be spent over several quarters. But this will be a drag on consumption this year. It's hard to distinguish the MEW drag from the rest of the economic slowdown, but I think the effect is real - if not perfectly measurable.

There are a lot of reasons to be negative, and for this trader, to be short stocks. But one thing is very sure, I am feeling a lot less negative now than I did 8-10 months ago! We are now going through the mess that I stated 10 months ago we needed to go through to get past the mistakes we made. Its part of the process. Its healthy and it hurts, and its going to hurt more before it gets better and there is nothing that any of us can do about it.

FOR MANHATTAN REAL ESTATE

Buyers: Expect the recent inventory surge to flatten out. If you don't like what you see now in your price point, you will have to wait for price reductions to reveal a deal. I don't expect inventory to surge for the next few months, and rather, I expect a slight correction in the upward trend until later in the year. Options will not grow as fast as it did in the first 6 months of 2008, and rates will be pressured to the upside; especially when inflation data really comes out and the fed has to talk tough on inflation.

Sellers: Wake up to reality and price right to sell and get traffic in. Either you re-price to this new market or you risk being behind the curve and playing catch up with a stale listing that was overpriced to begin with. If you are overpriced, both traffic and bids will be low. True colors will get you action, and that means pricing power will determine your fate. Expecting a 15% appreciation from 2007 comps is a fantasy; but if you happen to get it, TAKE IT and don't think twice.

FOR STOCK MARKETS

Volatility. Up 900, down 900, up 900, down 900. Thats the game. At any point the event risk is to the downside, not upside. We can not have a sustainable bull market rally until financials recover and that is a multiple quarters out at least. Sure, they may be oversold bounces, but in the end the wall street revenue model is broken. With money costing more to borrow and credit being crunched, downside risk is still slightly favored; although that is way more positive than I was only 7-8 months ago. Lets not forget, if corporate profits fall, then equities will have to be re-priced to this new and more sluggish environment. Are your stocks both prepared and priced for this threat?

FOR RATES

Pressure to upside as I discussed 2 weeks ago in my piece, "Inflation To Fly? Bond Yields Hitting Mortgage Rates". Bond markets are pricing in inflation pressures right now in yields, and starting next month the seasonal aberration is removed and we will see the effects of soaring commodity prices in the inflation data. Expect this to continue and certainly expect the next big campaign by the fed to be one on the hiking side. Its a question of when it starts. The medicine that saved our financial system and helped to 'forestall economic weakness', has side effects, and those side effects are just beginning. Inflation, at the same time of stabilization for the economy, will be the rock and the hard place that the fed finds itself in between. The fed very well could be forced into raising rates if commodities don't correct and that could set up a dog fight for 2009: ECONOMIC RECOVERY vs INFLATION BATTLE! I still view deflation as a problem near term.

Continued nervousness in the mortgage markets and banks facing quarters of balance sheet repairs and capital raising from write-downs, a future environment of rising rates will likely see a correlational rise in lending rates; from the continued re-pricing of risk that comes from an out of favor secondary mortgage marketplace. Huh? Let me rephrase:

If housing is still out of favor that means securitized loans as an asset will also seem out of favor and more risky. If the secondary mortgage market is still weak, risk will be priced into mortgages, and that means continued higher rates as we see now. If fed funds rates jumps from 2% to 4% and bond markets follow, we could see lending rates jump with it from 6.5% to say, 8%, if risk is still being re-priced at that time!
There is plenty of uncertainty in our future and if anything, I feel that upside could come just as easily as downside (stocks are irrational and damage is somewhat priced in right now as lagging effects of monetary/fiscal stimulus is ahead of us); a new & positive feeling that I recently favored more to the downside from AUG 2007 - APRIL 2008 (I think my past posts here on urbandigs can show that sentiment). So, that's my ray of hope. Hey, I need at least one!


Comments (13)

Great post Noah. I want to comment on using a price weighted index to reflect the market performance and wealth levels. SPX is a vastly superior metric than INDU. Unless you invest by buying one share of the top 30 companies by market cap then INDU is the wrong metric. (i.e. nobody does that) There is also a large cap style bias in there (to an even greater degree than SPX) e.g. IBM is 8.5% of the index. As a result it tends to underestimate the market volatility over longer periods - SPX 6m realized vol has been 21%, INDU has been 19%. However, events in single names can cause the vol to spike over shorter time frames – 20 day vol has been a point higher on INDU than SPX, because Chevron and Exxon (12.5% of INDU) have been very volatile as crude prices jump all over the place.

I don’t want to blow it out of proportion, they are about 95% correlated over the longer term, but I just wish CNBC et. al. would stop using it as ‘the market’.

Posted by JC | June 13, 2008 10:55 AM

good point JC! Yes, I agree, SPX is vastly superior as a gauge and what me and all my contacts use when talking about markets. For posts, I usually discuss INDU because most people look at that when they talk about markets. Traders?Wall St use SPX. People use Dow.

Posted by Noah | June 13, 2008 10:58 AM

Noah,

I think it is also important to point out that inventory may actually be a bit higher than the open listings right now, as a number of people have pulled their listing off the market or are holding off putting their apartment up for sale in hopes of the market getting better. These two factors should theoretically add a not-insignificant number to the inventory numbers. They will be "offically" listed at some point in the future when things get better and that will then prolong the inventory number going down with this influx of "new" listings.
Thanks,

Craig

Posted by Craig | June 13, 2008 1:31 PM

Further to Craig's point... New listings exceeded contracts signed by >500 in the last thirty days, while inventory remained flat according to the streeteasy data above. This seems to suggest that the flattening of inventory is from people pulling their listings after NOT selling in the spring season. As much of this pulled inventory will come back to the market at a later date, the inventory build is greater than it appears.

Posted by 10036 | June 13, 2008 2:39 PM

My longer version of my post may not have made it through so here is something shorter. Confusion does reign and maybe it's because we are passing out of the eye of the hurricane and into the rest of the storm. One possible way to keep a handle on things may be to track the re-pricing action and the Fed outlook. Foreclosures are accelerating and those houses are going up for bid with 40-50% discounts. Today, some LBO loans were sold at 25-40% discounts. The latest Fed outlook, however, is lower but still positive-about 1.5 GDP.

If big re-pricing continues but real growth outlook stays positive, I would say we are on track to make it through, and a slow recovery can follow. Anything different will be more confusion. Sorry if both my posts made it through. Ignore the longer one.

Posted by Query1 | June 13, 2008 3:17 PM

Great post and I agree with everything you say. If interest rates do rise to over 8%, I have to believe that would cause a large disruption in NYC real estate.

Posted by buyer/broker | June 13, 2008 4:57 PM

Hi, I don't think anything unusual is happening to the Manhattan real estate market. It's pretty much in line with the most recent years give/take 5-10%....I think prices will continue to increase at about 7-9% per year nothing crazy in either direction. Basically, I see recent years, historical numbers, for the future. Sorry to be so uneventful.

Posted by Steve | June 13, 2008 8:48 PM

I agree with most of what you say. As for real estate, I do not believe that the increase in values that we saw over the past several years was as a result of a "bubble". Rather, the fundamentals of the Manhattan market were very strong. Those fundamentals have eroded considerably over this past year (Wall Street layoffs, increase of inventory, slightly more difficult mortgage market, waning of foreign demand (which was over-hyped to begin with), risk of quality of life deterioration after Bloomber leaves).

My sense is that real estate values will either stay flat for several quarters, or they will slightly depreciate. Real estate won't come back to the place it was for several years, which will be how long it will take for financial markets to recover. IF the next Mayor is incompetent, which is likely, erosion of quality of life could dramatically reduce desirability in Manhattan.

As for the stock market, I would not be surprised to see it drop down to 10,000. The economy is in rough shape, and the amount of private debt that is going to go bad is frightening. If we had capable leadership at the federal level, we could exploit the weak dollar and rebuild manufacturing by lowering the corporate tax rate. McCain is right on that, Obama is way off. If Obama wins, look for a return of 7% unemployment and stagflation. He is clueless on economic policy, and the current environment will not be able to withstand his poor decisions.

Posted by mh23 | June 14, 2008 8:43 AM

Craig & 10036 - solid points! Thanks for bringing up. I would have to agree!

Posted by Noah | June 14, 2008 9:10 AM

Steve - Hey man, no need to say sorry! Your comment is welcome and noted! Thanks. I certainly dont see it in the field, as I see softness right now in bids coming in, however pricing data will be strong for the next 2-3 quarters or so due to the lagging closings of new developments that sold in 2007 for 1400+/sft! So, as price data comes out, it may prove your comment correct, but resale closings are a different story.

In my opinion, if you want to monitor the health of the current market, without the lag, look at sales volume and inventory trends; as that will tell you a lot about current demand. They should give two price reports, one with new dev closings and one excluding so we can see how existing resales are doing year over year and such.

Posted by Noah | June 14, 2008 9:28 AM

mh23 -- just a lot of great points in that comment. I agree with most, except that I think we will see 7% unemployment with whomever wins presidency, or damn close. Always good to read your comments.

Posted by Noah | June 14, 2008 9:30 AM

I'm going to be the optimist (and happily lonely bull) again on the stock market and even non-pessimist on the economy. Foreclosure rates are still going up and will continue for some time, but delinquency rates in sub prime are actually slowing....you can't see it yet from the pool numbers because the denominator of assets in the pools keeps falling due to refi/repayment of underlying loans and foreclosures. But new paper moving into the past due bucket are falling according to Tom Brown's analysis on Bankstocks.com - it's really worth the read. Thank god sellers and banks are finally seeing reality and blowing out properties at a discount, volumes of foreclosed home sales are starting to ramp big time in some of the prior bubble markets. The system is going to start getting unclogged. Meanwhile job losses (not unemployment rate, which reflects people not getting new jobs) but firings, are well below the pace of the last two recessions, due to how lean corporate America has been running. Cap ex is hanging in well better than in past recessions, due to the lack of irrational corporate spending for the last 7 years. If we just get through the couple of bank failures that are coming without panic breaking out I think we will set up for a better (not thrilling) stock market with a long period of moribund economic growth. Okay enough optimism for one day - oil could always go to $250.

Posted by jeff | June 14, 2008 10:30 AM

Yes, this is not good. Here on Staten Island things had been quite busy from 1/08-5/08. However, things have grinded to a hault lately. The rates are on the rise and it's softer here in Staten Island.

Posted by Anthony - Staten Island Real Estate Blog | June 17, 2008 11:12 PM

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