Real(i)ty Check: Brooklyn Revisited

Posted by Jeff Bernstein on April 4, 2008 at 9.30 AM

Brooklyn%20Brownstones.jpgWith the flowers starting to bloom and the song birds all atwitter I decided to get a few brokers on the line for an update on the kickoff of spring selling season in Brooklyn. I was a little surprised by how much activity there seemed to be, but I got a strong sense that price concessions are helping rev up demand.

Joan Goldberg, of Brown Harris Stevens, has been a brownstone owner for over 20 years, she sells real estate in Brooklyn Heights, Dumbo and Fort Greene as well as other areas of the borough. She called me from Arizona saying:

The season has started off busy. I'm on a mini vacation break and I still can't get off the phone. A lot of buyers are out in the market and they seem serious. The stock market acting better recently may be a factor. People who are looking for houses are not as affected as the low end. One bedroom buyers are much more careful. I'm not big in condo sales. I have not seen any noticeable impact from tighter financing, but some one bedroom buyers are asking to put down less money, but can't do that in a co-op. My guess is they may have been condo buyers moving over. I don't see any lessening of interest in any particular neighborhood, things are busy in all my markets.
I spoke with Jerry Minsky, a 23-year veteran broker in downtown Brooklyn and the surrounding areas. Minsky works as an SVP for Corcoran, but considers himself a one-man sales machine, as well he should. According to Corcoran's web site he is consistently a member of their Multi-Million-Dollar Club for outstanding sales volume. Here is what Minsky had to say about the downtown Brooklyn market:
The market is at a slow point the likes of which I have not seen since I was a buyer back in the early 80s. I have had 2 sales this week, but prior to that I hadn't had 2 sales since August. We just sold a two bedroom unit on Pacific Street in Boerum Hill, a restored townhouse condo conversion. My associate converted a renter to a buyer for this 1,100 square foot $982,000 unit. It was on the market for one week. I was shocked. A week ago Friday, a Bear Stearns employee signed a contract for $625,000 for a Bedford Stuyvesant brownstone. It took me 90 days to sell this property where it used to take me 30. I call it like I see it and I think we are at the beginning of the end of the down market. I saw it early back in August, where things just felt wrong in my gut. Now right or wrong I will go on the record saying I think the worst is behind us. It's not all rosy mind you, but things should start to get better. Real buyers out there should not sit on the sidelines for too much longer.
With regard to downtown Brooklyn and environs specifically Minsky noted: "Brooklyn is on the map and will come back very strong once the fundamentals of the economy really really stabilize." As for other secondary New York City markets he says "Up and coming markets always come back more slowly."

Over in Williamsburgh, Frank Castoria of the eponymous real estate firm, who has had a presence in his market for 30 years, says:

The market is somewhat overbuilt right now. Everything will eventually sell, but with the economy slowing down, I see the next 2 years somewhat of a correction or slowdown. Prices have come down 10 - 15% on townhouses and condos more like 20%.
My buddy and fellow Union College alum Jeff Winter, co-owner of Coldwell Banker Innovation Real Estate in Park Slope, concurred with aspects of both Minsky and Castoria's observations on their markets.
The condo market is overbuilt and the poorly constructed stuff will sit as sponsor unit rentals until the market recovers and they put them up for sale again. But business overall appears to be picking up. The weather is better and people are coming out to look. Everybody needs a place to live! I had three offers on the same property fall through right after the Bear Stearns meltdown. But people are back making offers on things if they are priced correctly. I have a $1.2 million offer out on a $1.5 million property and the seller is considering it. The good thing with sellers is I don't have to beat the information into them now, they realize that the market has changed. I am doing more due diligence on buyers than I ever have, I need to know if they can close. The problem on the residential side is you never had issues with financing, you could always get a second mortgage or something. Now with the credit crunch it has reduced the funnel of buyers down from a flood to a trickle. So today it's about real buyers and real sellers.
Winter, who has a strong presence in the commercial market in his area as well, offered that:
"On the commercial side I have a mixed use building on Prospect Park, which the seller priced at 15.5x rent roll, but he's seriously considering an all cash offer at about 13x. I have had to put some developers doing rehab projects in touch with hard money lenders. They had their fingers in too many pies and are now looking to cross collateralize the properties they have equity in to borrow money and support project debt payments."

I talked to JJ Katz of Heights Properties, who has been in Brooklyn real estate for 11 years, seven of those in Crown Heights. This market is more affordable for young people than Park Slope or Prospect Heights and the credit crunch seems to be weighing on this market a bit more. Spring has apparently not really started in Crown Heights, but that may be in part due to the reluctance of the Hassidic community to entertain sellers or get very involved in shopping for a home before completing the traditional spring cleaning of their homes ahead of the Passover holiday. According to JJ:

We are feeling the mortgage crisis, banks are a lot more difficult. This is for qualified people, putting down real money, decent credit and reasonable income and the banks are checking every little thing.

During our phone call JJ had to drop off because of a last minute glitch with a financing commitment. Then he called me back. "There were six things the bank said they needed when they made the commitment. All of a sudden they need other things. One little thing was missing on the application and it wasn't even relevant." As for the state of the market, JJ remarked:

A lot of properties are on the market as a lot of people are believing that the market is going to drop even more. As far as buyers, no one wants to be the last guy to pay a high price. In the past you never saw more than 3 houses for sale in the Hassidic neighborhood,now there are many and they are sitting for four months, five months.
As far as the condominium market goes JJ opined that:
In the past two years there was a boom in condo development. Six to eight months ago I sold a piece of land to some developers. The buyers sat for a while, but are now building to get the foundation in the ground before the sunset on 421A. They're hoping that in two years when they are done building things will be better. A lot of condos are sitting empty as prices have fallen below the levels developers were looking for. Three development projects have turned into rentals, and one development of 33 units at the corner of Lefferts Ave and New York Ave is in pre-foreclosure.
So there you have it. Despite financing conditions being sub-optimal, spring has sprung in Brooklyn and buyers are out looking. Properly prices product - generally reduced from recent highs - are moving. The low-end buyer who may be less financially well endowed is suffering the brunt of the credit crunch, along with some developers who were late to the party and penciled in unrealistic sell out numbers. Makes sense, no?


Photo by Ruby Washington - New York Times

Comments (13)

Interesting stuff, Jeff, but if I wanted to hear what brokers are saying, I can call them myself.

Did you talk to anyone without an incentive to blow smoke up everybody's asses.

For instance, Minsky says it was dead starting in August, but now suddenly things are coming alive??? Everything I read by a broker between August and now was that the market was "hot, hot, hot". Why the hell should anyone believe them now??

Is there any objective source you could tap to add value to your commentary? Why not talk to buyers who are active in the market, or mortgage lenders. Anything's better than talking to a local broker.

Posted by bklner | April 4, 2008 9:44 AM

I have 4 buyers in Brooklyn right now and I can tell you that they are very focused on making sure the product they pay for is highest quality and priced properly. That is the only way they will jump in. Out of many properties we viewed in Fort Green, Dumbo, Boerum Hill, & Bklyn Heights, I would say only about 1/3 of them were considered to be priced right and of high enough quality to warrant the current asking price.

With that said, one of these buyers signed a contract weeks ago, and the other has contracts out right now about to be signed today. So, they are pulling the trigger, but the buyers would NOT be fooled by anything the seller broker would say about the state of the market, and instead, saw enough properties to know what a good deal was when they saw one.

Posted by Noah | April 4, 2008 9:49 AM

Hi Noah, Thanks for recapping your discussions with realtors. I've spoken to several brokers in the Dumbo area who haven't seen any discounts on condos. Do you think the pricing in the Dumbo area warrants asking prices?

Posted by DumboNYC | April 4, 2008 9:58 AM

well Jeff wrote the piece, not me. My clients who bought went for Fort Greene. So, take that for what its worth.

Some Dumbo units were in serious consideration, but in the end, the actual product didnt offer the property features of light/views that the buyers wanted for the price being paid.

Posted by Noah | April 4, 2008 10:12 AM

to bklner,

To be fair to the Brokers, he did choose brokers that would have live through at least 2 down cycles so you would assume they "would tell it as it is"..

Would be great to have a similar article focusing on just buyers and sellers for the "real deal"

Posted by uwsider | April 4, 2008 10:24 AM

considering Fort Greene myself. Which ones you think fall into the "1/3 of them were considered to be priced right and of high enough quality to warrant the current asking price" category? One Hanson?

Posted by anon | April 4, 2008 12:15 PM

One Hanson, 383 Carlton were the two they liked

Posted by Noah | April 4, 2008 12:46 PM

Bklner,

I spent many years on Wall Street and a friend of mine used to say, the only management team that hasn't lied to me hasn't had to yet. The same can be said for anyone with an agenda. We are all big kids here. I personally am thankful that the brokers I spoke with....who all have pretty good tenures in the market, were as forthcoming with negative information as they were. As a result of their openness, if they say there are buyers out there for product that's priced right, I am personally inclined to believe that there is at least an element of truth there. I can promise you, you will not get more unbiased commentary from local developers, bankers, or Marty Markowitz himself. We live in a world where must all work with imperfect information. That's life.

Posted by jeff | April 4, 2008 12:47 PM

Talking about Brooklyn, did anyone go to the Williamsburg Edge condo developer's launch party yesterday? I hear from the brokers that the average ppsf for the condo unit is going to be around $940. Although I like this building, ameneties, views and all, I think it's overvalued given the market conditions.

Chan
http://www.sulfura.info

Posted by Chan | April 4, 2008 2:24 PM

bklnr, Joan Goldberg is one of the few brokers I've met that I trust, though am a bit surprised by her bullishness here.
I just signed on a 2BR condo in prime Williamsburg, which is risky right now, but things just lined up for me. There is a LOT online or about to hit the market, so if you aren't in any rush, it may be best to hold off there. I also don't like many of the buildings. That said, they can't build in that area forever, so it's definitely worth keeping an eye on unless you don't mind being further from the Bedford stop or even east of the BQE.

Posted by bjw2103 | April 4, 2008 2:28 PM

bjw, I am not too familiar with Bklyn, can you give me an idea whether being further from the Bedford stop or east of the BQE compromises the neighborhood in regards to safety or nice to place to live. I drive, so it doesn't matter how far I live, but I need a pleasant place to live with nice neighbors. Good luck on your new purchase.

Posted by Kierbaudy | April 7, 2008 1:51 AM

Kierbaudy, as a general rule, the further east you go from say, Roebling in Williamsburg, the dicier it gets. Gentrification has creeped along the L train, probably to the Morgan Ave stop, but it's still quite different from Bedford. It's not a pretty area by any stretch of the imagination, and though some condos are going up, I think it'll be a while before it's comparable to the prime area (roughly, bounded by N 12th St, the waterfront, Driggs Ave, and N 1st St) in terms of safety and pleasantness. I've never been out to Bushwick, but I hear that's not a very safe area. Anything around McCarren Park is pretty nice/safe as well, though maybe a bit cheaper since it's further from the subway. I'd look over there if you think WB is for you and you're driving a lot.

Posted by bjw2103 | April 8, 2008 1:34 PM

Hey Bjw, many thanks for the info,it is extremely helpful.

Posted by Kierbaudy | April 9, 2008 12:37 AM

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