Awful Housing #'s: Good For Long Run
A: Brutal housing data just got released but I would go as far as say that it should be a sign of brighter times ahead. Builder confidence is at the lowest level in more than 12 years as housing permits slumped 7% to an annual rate of 1.23M units. In order to REVERSE the incredible buildup of inventories across the nation, we need builder confidence and permits to FALL so that less product gets built down the road! While the report is not rosy, its a necessary step to fix the problem. These reports all but guarantee bad reports to come in the near future, setting up what could be a good buying opportunity for longer term investors shopping in distressed markets. Contrarians unite!
**NOTE: When I write posts like this one, tapping into my past experiences (1998-2004) as an equities/options trader, be careful NOT to interpret the discussion as an endorsement of an individual stock or sector. I will NEVER recommend buying or selling individual stocks or sectors on this site! That is up to YOU and your financial advisers. This is not a forum that I will discuss my specific long or short holdings in; although I may blip about getting out of a general position. On UrbanDigs.com, I will only discuss how watching a specific equity sector may be a forward indication of renewed confidence in the industry.
According to CNN Money:
Builders continued to slam the brakes on new homes in September, as the government's latest reading on the battered market out Wednesday showed housing starts and permits were weaker than expected at levels not seen for more than a decade. The pace of housing starts plunged 10 percent to an annual pace of 1.19 million from a 1.33 million rate in August. That was the weakest level in just over 14 years. Economists surveyed by Briefing.com had forecast that starts would fall to an a rate of 1.29 million.I wrote a post a while ago discussing whether the homebuilders are in the process of bottoming out as they sector rebounded nicely from lows; "Are Homebuilders Pricing In A Bottom?". One thing to keep in mind from a stock viewpoint as an indication of future health in the industry, is that these home builders will price in a bottom IN ADVANCE! In other words, without the use of hindsight, if the bottom turns out to be late 2008 for the housing market, then the homebuilders will most likely bottom out around APRIL/MAY of 2008 in anticipation of the near term expected recovery. In the post I stated:Housing permits, which are seen as a sign of builders' confidence in the market, slumped 7 percent to an annual rate of 1.23 million from 1.32 million in August. It was the lowest level of permits in more than 12 years. Economists had looked for permits to slow to a 1.3 million pace.
Keep in mind that these stocks will price in a rebound 4-6 months in advance of it actually coming; with institutions opening new positions, a bullish longer term analyst call, a ton of short interest, and vulture/contrarian investors getting started.And Citi investment analyst Stephen Kim states:
However, it bears repeating that the home-building stocks have an established history of rallying well before industry fears have finished transitioning into fact.Right now, the news is bad, real bad. The next few reports are likely to be real bad as well. No one is arguing that . But this process sets up an emotional element where the bad news is 'so baked in' and estimates go so low, that future reports could come in ahead of expectations and surprise the street. While that is still some time away, it's getting closer. When I see builder confidence at decade lows, and plans to build new product get cut back significantly, I think that a slowing down in the pace of inventory build is near! Reread that last sentence if it seems confusing.


Comments (4)
I have heard by some reports and charts, that a bottom isn't projected until 2011 or 12. Do you think a bottoming out of the market (New York City included) could last that long?
If so, that could mean deals to be had for quite a while, but I keep hearing the projection like you stated above, that end of 2008 would be it. To me, it seems a bit too short due to the reality of the ARM resets that are going to hit in the next few months, but it would be interesting to hear what you think of this four year out projection some have been stating.
Posted by lars | October 17, 2007 9:28 AM
Noah,
I've been looking to buy out on LI for past few months. There are a lot of choices and price reductions every few weeks. It seems sellers are fighting each other.
My question is, do you think now is a good time to buy in, or should I wait for things to go down more. I dont want to buy if in 6 months prices will be much lower?
Thanks for the blog and thoughts on my situation.
Joe
Posted by LongIslandBuyer | October 17, 2007 10:58 AM
LARS - first off, real estate is LOCAL! When I talked above, I was talking about confidence being gauged by performance of homebuilders stocks + finding deals in distressed markets that have been beat down so hard in past 2 years! Every market is different.
Some may bottom in 2008, some may bottom in 2009, and others may not correct until 2010, and then bottom in 2012! Its all local. Im more interested in confidence returning to homebuilders as a signal of a generalized bottom and a good time to buy in to distressed markets that have been hit hard!
Posted by Noah | October 17, 2007 12:38 PM
Joe - Many markets in LI, especially those at least 45 MIN out east have been hit hard! These are good examples of great neighborhoods that are in distress right now! There are just no buyers, and inventory is at very high levels, giving great choices to buyers for long run. What was selling for 650K 2 years ago, is now asking 550-575K and still not getting any demand! Some 15-20% correction thus far.
If you have a longer term strategy, I would DEFINITELY consider shopping around and taking advantage of the control you get during negotiating process while the market is against sellers and they compete with each other to move properties!
Posted by Noah | October 17, 2007 12:40 PM