Timing a Low-Ball Offer
A: Great topic for the times we are in right now in NYC. Is there a bad time to submit a low-ball offer? The answer is 'YES' which brings us to this topic for today. When would a good situation arise for a qualified buyer to low-ball and submit what I like to call a '1-TIME OFFER'?
Low-Ball Offer: A low-ball offer is a term used to describe an offer on a house that is substantially less than the asking price. While any offer can be presented, a low-ball offer can sour a prospective sale and discourage the seller from negotiating at all. Unless the house is very overpriced, the offer will probably be rejected. In a buyer's market a motivated seller will either accept or make a counter-offer.
First lets clarify two things: YOU LIKE THE PROPERTY & YOU ARE QUALIFIED TO PURCHASE IT

By the latter I mean that you earn at least what the board is looking for and are under the pre-determined debt/income ratio and that you have sufficient liquid assets leftover after closing to meet another set of pre-determined levels (generally you will need to show around 12 months of maint + mortgage in liquid).
Now that we know you can get the property, you need to shove the seller up against the wall and make a play.
For buyers, the BEST situation to submit a low-ball offer is when:
1. Seller has reduced the price for 3rd time
2. Seller reduced price two times within 4 weeks
3. Property has been on the market for at least 4 months
4. You show up to OH and apartment is empty with no names on sign in sheet
5. You find out that seller bought 5+ years ago
6. Imperfections are cosmetic NOT permanent
Some examples would include:
131 W 28th Street - Reduced from $995K to $800K; Reduced twice in last 4 weeks. On market since 6/1/2006.
100 W 72nd Street - Reduced from $925K to $799K; Reduced twice in last 3 weeks. On market since 4/19/2006.
444 East 84th Street - Reduced from $750K to $659K; Reduced twice in last 3 weeks. On market since 8/17/2006
100 West 39th Street - Reduced from $749K to $699K; Reduced three times since on market in first 4 1/2 weeks.
The WORST time to submit a low-ball offer is when:
1. Seller has not reduced asking price yet
2. Apartment is less than 4 weeks on market
3. OH and/or showings are crowded
THE KEY
The KEY is to accept imperfections! Its VERY hard to find everything you are looking for anyway, so don't miss out on a great deal if there are a few imperfections in the property; especially ones that can easily be updated!
If you are a stingy buyer than the perfect property you are seeking will never make it into the BEST scenario for making a low ball offer OR the low ball offer itself will just insult the seller making future negotiations with you difficult.
All of this seems pretty logical and straightforward but in this business I see low-ball offers being submitted at the WORST times! There is NO WAY a seller will respond to a 1-Time Low-Ball offer if the property is only 3 weeks on the market and there were 10 people at the OH on Sunday! It's a waste of a good strategy to try and get a great deal from a desperate seller.
To go on a slight tangent here, if the property is new on the market and you know there is activity on it, and you absolutely love it, then bid accordingly! Don't risk insulting the seller and giving them leverage with the other interested buyers in that they can now honestly say, 'we have an offer submitted, there was no response yet'. You will be amazed at what some buyers do when they find out an offer was submitted on a property they love!
Anyway, back to finding the best situation for a low-ball. You must find signs of DESPERATION!! Does this person HAVE TO unload this property right now! Did they buy over 5 years ago making the deal a very profitable one for them even if its much lower than they originally hoped! Were there more than 1 price cut within a month? These are the things that make low-ball offers work! They are reduced to $750,000 from $850,000 over the course of 5 months, with 2 price cuts of $25K within the past month alone.
I know, its hard to find all of those criteria for any one property let alone one you want to buy. But, I list the BEST situation with those 5 characteristics. You don't need all of them for a 1-time low-ball offer to be effective.
SUBMITTING A 1-TIME LOW-BALL OFFER
Typically, low-ball offers are made by unmotivated buyers seeking a deal. Sellers usually shrug them away refusing to play the game. This is why you MUST prove your seriousness as a buyer and submit the offer as I describe above! It's your best chance to make it work.
By removing the option of a response (taking out negotiations) you hit the desperate seller where they hurt the most, and put the ball in their court to make a deal happen right now. While it is a bit of a risky strategy if you really love the apartment and are haggling over $25-50K or so, it usually works when the timing is right. You just need to be in the right place, at the right time, and like what you see and who knows, maybe you'll get it for much less!
Happy Bidding!



Posted by jjj
Thu Oct 19th, 2006 09:22 AM
I think the article is great and sets up a buyer with confidence of how to read the market and make proposals upon that basis. I would add another time to head for low ball offers is to look for property at the top of what you can afford then review all information and present all information to get a lower price. the fact that you can only just marginally afford something the seller does not have to concern about and the buyer may just end up with a great property.
Posted by newbie
Thu Oct 19th, 2006 11:48 AM
Thx for this great article! We keep hearing about this buyer's market and the coming NYC RE apocolypse, but too low can backfire.
Even in this softer market I've heard stories of buyers making lowball offers, negotiate up to an accepted offer only to have someone come in at a higher price before the contract is signed. In this case the buyer could have had the place if he had offered closer to his intended price to begin with; instead he wasted time going back & forth.
It's definitely a good idea to negotiate lower, but there is a strategy to it. Thx again for the pointers.
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Thu Oct 19th, 2006 12:31 PM
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What makes it so much better than the rest?
You pose questions, problems and concerns and then list possible solutions, outcomes and suggestions. It's the "therefore" after a thesis that is so lacking on other housing blogs....
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Thu Oct 19th, 2006 12:33 PM
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I shall link back today!
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Thu Oct 19th, 2006 01:22 PM
Larry,
Thanks for the props! Trying my best. Keep in touch and good to see you back on the comments. By the way, I know the problem with the REMEMBER ME and meeting with programmer Friday to discuss. Should be fixed soon.
Posted by butch
Thu Oct 19th, 2006 08:27 PM
5. You find out that seller bought 5+ years ago
what does this tell me?
i found an apt that the seller bought last year, what does that tell me?
please help!
Posted by Noah
Fri Oct 20th, 2006 08:01 AM
Butch,
Dont read into that one too much. If the seller bought last year than they might not be as willing to accept a low-ball offer as say someone who bought 5+ years ago whose home's equity appreciated big time from when they bought.
If someone bought for 500K last year and is trying to sell for 550K now, they might not accept a 475K offer, whereas if the person bought 5 years ago and paid 300K, and is now asking 550K, they might be willing to accept 475K if the have to move the property quickly.
Make sense?
Posted by Larry Nusbaum
Sat Oct 21st, 2006 05:55 PM
http://millionairenowbook.blogspot.com/2006/10/im-fan-of-this-blog.html
Posted by anna
Fri Feb 16th, 2007 06:39 PM
I just want a doable studio. How much less can I offer for paying cash? Some of the prices seem within 50K for my type property---plenty I like for 375, but would love to pay 290-325. See things I like (but not daily) listed for about 350---is it unreasonable to think I could wind up paying 310 cash? More? Less? Thanks!
Posted by brapedubrag
Mon Oct 8th, 2007 08:15 PM
hi,
good site :) Whish you good luck!
Posted by Katie
Thu May 7th, 2009 10:27 AM
Noah -
Any thoughts for making a lowball offer in TODAY's NYC marketplace? I'm in love with a 1br thats listed at 925k ( seller bought in Jan 07 for 820k and put about 100k -he says- into it). The apt has been on the market for 3 mos -- is he being realistic?
Posted by Katie
Thu May 7th, 2009 10:28 AM
Noah -
Any thoughts for making a lowball offer in TODAY's NYC marketplace? I'm in love with a 1br thats listed at 925k ( seller bought in Jan 07 for 820k and put about 100k -he says- into it). The apt has been on the market for 3 mos -- is he being realistic?
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I think another reason fees are not being paid and free months not offered is that prices have come down. Apartments are moving but part of the reason is that prices came down to a point at which they will move.
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